Penn and Teller on Vaccinations

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+13 1. Burimi commented 8 years ago

Teller need more practice!
I like the creativity and the message!
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+3 2. dushan commented 8 years ago

yet another example how strong ignorance can be...
my grandfather had polio, as well as few other children from two different generations before vaccination became mandatory, and they all ended up disabled to some extent...
i don't know anyone younger or older than me who was vaccinated and contracted polio, or had autism, so no, i can't see any relation...
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+3 3. thundersnow commented 8 years ago

#2 Exactly, ignorance is widespread, as there is a trend right now in young parents not to vaccinate. OPV (oral polio vaccine) was discontinued some time ago, because there is no longer a threat of getting polio, at least not right now, my kids were still vaccinated for it in he eighties. I had received it as a child too, but it had just started being administered a couple of years prior to that.
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-15 4. CiF commented 8 years ago

aahahahhahahhah

ignorance !?

#2 and #3 Your sources are simply baaaaad, probably studies funded by a pharma company.

HYGIENE ! is the reason why we don't see those diseases so much.
Vaccination on the other hand is full of awful heavy metals and will fuck up you immune system, for sure.

and #2 make general comments based on your family is simply dumb.
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+11 5. Frolle commented 8 years ago

Well #4 making general comments based on nothing at all seems a hell of a lot dumber.
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+9 6. kirkelicious commented 8 years ago

#4 Thundersnow did not make any anecdote based health claims, so there is no need to attack her.
Can you verify your claim that hygiene is the reason epidemics did stop spreading after vaccines were introduced? Why do you think hygiene always waits to kick in to reduce infection rates until a vaccine against a specific viral infection is developed?
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+6 7. dushan commented 8 years ago

#4 my bad, hygiene is known to kill even airborne pathogens, that is why up to 20% of people in united states ( for example ) get flu every year ( http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/disease.htm )
now, imagine if that common flu was so called "spanish flu" strain ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic you know, the one that kills the ones with strongest immune system first ) and tell me again how much hygiene is effective here

of course that hygiene and sanitation helped a lot, but the very reason many of us are alive today are vaccines
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+1 8. thundersnow commented 8 years ago

#4 I didn't even list any sources lol...as dushan and kirkelicious are saying, hygiene helps a lot, but it's the vaccines that decreased the mortality rates so much in all those diseases, including the flu...the cdc website is a very good source, I was just too lazy to look it up. ;)
Now, the one you need to worry about again is the measles, as many forego vaccinating their kids and there are several new cases, some pretty severe..
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+5 9. huldu commented 8 years ago

Why so many dislikes? I don't even understand what there is to dislike about this video to begin with...

Hygiene is a huge factor to why some diseases are harder to contract nowadays than before. However that does NOT mean that they do not exist any longer.
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-2 10. repeat commented 8 years ago

#8 for statistic need get right data.

How many people???
dies with flu vaccination / all with flu vaccination
dies without flu vaccination / all without flu vaccination

compare this data.

every winter in our country epidemic flu. Talks about death. And every years more people don't want get vacctination, but statistics a little go down and numbers of deaths presents as astronomical number in Media. This is season for get money for pharma company.
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+5 11. thundersnow commented 8 years ago

It's very difficult to discern whether someone died of the flu (viral) or something else, because of what they actually die from are flu associated complications, most commonly pneumonia (bacterial)...that's why elderly and immunocompromised and those working in the medical field people are at risk, and should get vaccinated...but you are right #10 without statistics I got no leg to stand on... :)...and you're right the pharmaceutical industry makes the biggest profits, more than car industry, but that's another topic..

Okay, my stats are not as precise as #10 is requesting them, but there are current influenza related death rates for the US, which are usually around 20-30/year/100,000 population, see CDC Vital Statistics Report, page 5 (1.), the second link shows the number of people that died of influenza during the Spanish flu of 1918 (2.), which was an exceptional pandemic. The third link shows influenza mortality rates in the US between 1900 and 2004, besides the flu of 1918 there were two more pandemics, which are clearly indicated in Figure 1, you can also see how the rates decreased with the onset of vaccination in 1945.The fourth link just shows the history of the flu vaccination. Last but not least, an interesting video by the Khan Academy on how influenza vaccines are developed each year. Would be interesting to know what country you are from #10, because you should not have an epidemic and such high mortality rates every year, as you state, maybe you can look up some info as well. I find it interesting to compare info not just within the US, but internationally too.

1. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf
2. http://www.flu.gov/pandemic/history/
3. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374803/#r10
4. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/812621
5. https://www.khanacademy.org/science/health-and-medicine/infectious-diseases/influenza/v/making-flu-vaccine-each- year
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+6 12. tiggfigg commented 8 years ago

Remember that time you got small pox?

Oh yeah you got vaccinated. ::(|) ::(|)
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+1 13. thundersnow commented 8 years ago

#12 Exactly! Good point!! :)
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+3 16. mwak commented 8 years ago

I never heard of this vaccination vs autism in Europe nor Africa nor Asia.
Is it a hoax in the USA territory only ?
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+3 17. kirkelicious commented 8 years ago

#16 It started in 1998 when The Lancet published a study by Andrew Wakefield that linked autism to the MMR vaccine. The study was really poor and evidence of fraudulent manipulation of the evidence emerged. After the scientific community protested about the low quality of the study it got retracted later on. Many studies since have shown without a doubt that no such link exists.
Sadly, that does not keep people like Donald Trump from believing in it and advocating the idea. And this man has good chances to be in charge of the CDC and the NIH in the future :S
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+2 18. thundersnow commented 8 years ago

#16 Exactly!..Sad when scientific studies and findings, the only thing that should not be biased by personal opinion, are still tampered with and manipulated to elicit a certain public response, because then it takes forever again to dispute the fraudulent findings, in the meantime there will be undesired outcomes...It makes you wonder what is still trustworthy...
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+2 19. kirkelicious commented 8 years ago

#18 Luckily it is extremely rare that such a study slips through the cracks in the pre-publishing peer review process of the big journals.
Falsified or flawed studies can cause a lot of harm, but they tend to be exposed, especially if they have big implications. That's when others in the field examine them closely and try to replicate the results. You probably should take any given study with a grain of salt after the initial publication, but as time goes on the self correcting mechanisms of the scientific method usually take care of the bad apples.
The biggest problem is that interest groups keep beating the dead horses like the Wakefield or the Seralini study and use them to instill fear into the scientifically illiterate.
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-8 20. CiF commented 8 years ago

# all numbers

I didn't source my claim, CAUSE IT'S NOT MINE, and I'm not here to explain, just to help you realise when your naivety place you so far from reality.
You do the research ! you got the net for that.

Oh and thundersnow, when you wanna know the truth, don't be so naive with you .gov sources, lol.

I'd rather trust medics and pharmacists, real people, who gave their testimony, without interest in the matter beside the well being of their children and grand-children. And they would never get their children vaccined.

NOW DON'T GET ME WRONG, they are not saying that vaccines aren't useful or effective, just that NOW and in ALL countries, vaccines are used with malice and greed, and will affect you in more ways that they should.

#7 lol at your sources !! ahahhaah ridiculous, wikipedia and .gov ..... you guys...
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+6 21. dushan commented 8 years ago

#20 sounds quite plausible, everything is a hoax and everything is a conspiracy, but you are smart, you can see through all the scams and misinformation spread by lizard people, you know well that this vaccines are here to destroy humanity...

you don't need to know any facts or science or history, rising your voice is more than enough to erase centuries of human knowledge...

and i mean, it's not like thundersnow is a nurse, what would she know about medicine anyway...
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-6 22. CiF commented 8 years ago

you little dushan, you're an hopeless case....

now you repeat the TV words dictated to you to try to discredit all with the same argument CONSPIRACIST !
pathetic.

I pass.
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+3 23. dushan commented 8 years ago

#22 you are feed with half and misinterpreted truths ( which is the biggest fuel source for ones ignorance ) and only thing you have at your disposal are insults :)
show me some science based evidences and history facts and i will believe you ( high school dropout blog, or fraud research based on falsified data is not science based source ), so far you only showed your little brain and big mouth :)

#4 "vaccination on the other hand is full of awful heavy metals and will fuck up you immune system, for sure." this is more than enough to show how little do you know about science in general

i'm surprised that you don't know about "spanish flu" (h1n1) 1918 outbreak, since it killed from 3-5% of human population globally, poke around, check some valid sources ( books maybe, if you know what books are ), story about this virus origins and how it spread/killed may interest you, if not as science fact at least as common culture/history/knowledge fact, considering it was one of the deadliest natural disasters is recent human history...
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+1 24. snotraddict commented 8 years ago

Hahaha, I knew there'd be a bunch of comments on this one.

#3 not sure how much it's prevalent in the young parents across the board, but it sure is amongst the wealthy. In my state the coastal regions in some places are near 50%, sometimes less, which makes it really dangerous for the rest of us. If they just killed their own kids, well that's life but their idiocy will very likely have an impact on many of us. Inner cities, still high 90 percentile. When we've lived so long without these things it's easy to forget how bad they were. The whooping cough has made a nice comeback thanks to these idiots.

#17 my recollection is Mr. Wakefield had a vaccine he wanted to sell but he had to discredit the MMR one to sell his, it backfired and he eventually lost his medical license.
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0 25. thundersnow commented 8 years ago

#22 But you really don't need to down talk to #21 and #23, he's only responded to you respectfully :(
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+1 26. kirkelicious commented 8 years ago

#24 No, the conflict of interest in this case was, that Wakefield was secretly payed around 500000 pounds by British trial lawyers, who wanted him to prove that the vaccine was dangerous, so they could sue for damages in a big class action law suit.
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0 27. snotraddict commented 8 years ago

#26 Ah.......