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+9 1. Xionbox (moderator) commented 15 years ago

Damn!
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+38 2. yajirou commented 15 years ago

Haha cool.. They're smarter than me. I would get stuck with my finger and stay the rest of the day at some hospital trying to get that thing of!
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+21 3. sledgie commented 15 years ago

thats even more impressive than it looks! there are primates only just learning to do the same thing. (making primitive tools)
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+27 4. Oddi commented 15 years ago

Maybe i can teach 1 to make me coffee
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-13 5. Sjattuh commented 15 years ago

Eventho it is pretty impressive...

it's just a trick learned. It imitates something that has been shown to him - like parrots that speak.

It would be way more impressive if he learned it himself. Like primates do when you give them a stick and a banana that is just out of reach.

The primate (or some) will put 2 and 2 together and smack the banana out of the tree.
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+18 6. SixaxisDualshock commented 15 years ago

I just have to ask. How do you (#5) know that it (assume you mean monkey, ape, tarsier or other stereotypical treeclimbing bananalovers) didn't pick that up (read. bending the stick) it self?

Anyways, if I were a primate (Homo Sapiens is actually a primate, but lets say I were a primate that climbs trees ever day) why wouldn't I just climb the tree and eat the banana while enjoying the view? 8-)
Only stupid primates would allow themselves looking silly bashing their bananas..
Mexican primates might like the pinjata experience, but I would rather climb the tree for the banana. That is, if I was able to climb the tree (which most primates, including homo sapiens, are able to)..
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+17 7. Kurisusan commented 15 years ago

who says other animals cant use tools?
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+13 8. BigBang commented 15 years ago

@5: in fact, the raven did learn it by himself. it wouldn't be too much a deal if they only copied techniques shown to them.
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-5 9. moskwiz commented 15 years ago

I'm leaning towards #5 being correct on this one. Birds are known for very good imitating skills (thinking of parrots "talking";), which, of course is in itself also a great sign of intelligence..

#8, can you shed any light on your claim that this is "in fact" the bird learning the trick itself?
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+8 10. BaronKite commented 15 years ago

Even if it did copy, that's still a hell of a trick.
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+10 11. NucleoVega commented 15 years ago

The crow did this spontaneously, and was not trained to do so prior to the experiment.

Proof: http://www.bioteach.ubc.ca/TeachingResources/GeneralScience/CrowsToolPaper.pdf
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+3 12. Babinizats commented 15 years ago

What the What?
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+3 13. peterpan007 commented 15 years ago

Yeah #5 and #9 the crows did this on there on, i watched the whole thing on the discovery channel. Another things crows are known to do is to use pebbles to raise the water level in a "bottle" so they can get a drink. Also as a added fact, there was a noticed fact back in the day in Europe. When they first introduced the glass milk bottles with the tin tops, in Britain. The birds started pecking at the top, then drinking the milk. The reason this story is interesting is because the birds stealing milk slowly spread south-east through Europe. Yeah, its probably the birds noticed and mimiced one another, but initially it was started by some one bird, somewhere, out there......... :|
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+4 14. chance commented 15 years ago

Okay Okay, here's something for you all. Why is it that the ones that like to argue, are the ones that suck at using correct grammar. Either use it, or don't use it. Now stop failing at life. IMO the bird used algebra to bend the rod to the right degree. Prior to that he used deductive reasoning to figure out that he was hungry! wahhh look atme i no use grammar; no spell too
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+5 15. ringmaster commented 15 years ago

I read an article in a magazine Illustrert Vitenskap that explains this and other experiments. These birds are more clever than we have realized, not only regarding practical challenges, but regarding social behavior as well. By some scientists these birds are beyond monkeys and apes.
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+1 16. SixaxisDualshock commented 15 years ago

#15 Illustrert Vitenskap rocks my socks.. Do you have the number on the magazine edition (would love to read that article, but don't want the hassle of looking through my twelve year subscriptions).
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+7 17. rubi commented 15 years ago

crows are the smartest birds, another example is, that they know how to crack open nuts using cars and signal lights in japan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPGknpq3e0
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-7 18. rubi commented 15 years ago

crows are the smartest birds, another example is, that they know how to crack open nuts using cars and signal lights in japan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPGknpq3e0
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+7 19. JerryD commented 15 years ago

Pardon me but I'm pretty amazed by people who tries to dismiss - in this case what appears to be intelligence among other animals. Same goes within other matters aswell, and their opposites who want's to believe almost anything. #5 and #8 will find after some searching that among birds - not only crows and their related birdspecies - are scientific studies claiming that they have a certain amount of capability for reasoning and draw conclusions. Abilities observed among european crows for complicated problemsolving in the wild - not in laboratories. And parrots are know not only to imitate human languages but being able to understand and to a limited extent being able to communicate with these words, this during laboratory conditions. ---- And about imitation: That requires a certain level of intelligence as well. And how much of the educational system is based on certain levels of 'imitation'. "I show you how to do it and then you try yourself" ....
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+3 20. Daire commented 15 years ago

Alfred Hitchcock was onto something man!! >:)
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0 21. MrNoid commented 15 years ago

birds are already known for using tools, just look how they make theyre nests
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0 22. caseyk commented 15 years ago

Everyone is arguing about how the bird learned the trick, I just want to know what was in the little bucket the bird was fishing for? :S