jees, you dont get bigger dicks if your country manages to get to the moon or mars.

@USAnumber0:
You are the load your mother should have swollowed.

LOL .. i love it how you call him Ali all the time .. actually makes people think that he is somehow of arabic origin ... let me inform you about that name .. its latin:

Aliquantulus = little, small, diminutive, a little, a bit

so maybe you should show 'a little bit' more respect and call him by the name he chose.

and to be more specific about my sexual intentions.. when i get to heaven i will fuck jesus in the ass and giving god a blowjob at the same time and while doing that i'll be thinking about you and your big cars and big guns.

this must be you:
http://www.myspace.com/usa_number_1

lol .. at least you got some kind of humor

nick = nickname

new to internet ?

for me nickname comes from the old days of BBS and IRC
and all the times of gaming and chatin'
also known as pseudonym

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickname

yeah its fun to think about it .. could be pure hell, pure heaven or just the same BS as nowadays..

esperanto could be a way out of the culturedilemma cause its the only language on earth thats just based on logic not on tribes or culture

also a circle is kind of a wierd thing .. the earth is a sphere.
and actually there is no 'above the earth' ... above the earth can be in any direction. so in bible words it should say 'all arround the earth' ...

curtains are made for 2D bed planes.
tents are usually standing on a 2D plane too ..i have never seen a tent that surrounds something thats floating.

what ever... that bible isnt written by god, its just written by people and people make errors. god would have known that the earth (like any other planet) is a sphere.

the last thing i would like to point out here. the bible is NOT a history book

"Part - 1
The greatest Story ever told"

i only started about religion because i saw one of those Jonny 69:69 quotes again.

its just a nice wrapup of older religions.. religions are always the same. it can only be true in your head nowhere else. and what 'findings' or 'scientists' are you talking about? Stonehegde? Mayas? Pagans? Greek? this is 9-11 all over again .. you believe the leaders or you dont believe the leaders. the king is dead, long live the king. i am a freethinker (no predictable sheeping included).

the difference with chinese is that everybody is able to learn chinese and after a while, even to understand it. i dont know how many languages you speak but when i first came to the netherlands i didnt understand a freakin word they where saying. total gibberish. now i can even understand farmers or old peoples slang.

thinking about it .. when i was little and my parents got something new, like a tv, vcr, toaster or stereo... they read the instructions before they touched it... i just pressed buttons and handles just to see what happends (keeping it safe of course) and i never needed a manual. had it all figured out before they reached page 20. cause with reasoning you can get very far you know. to make it short:

trial & error = life

a little simular is the mac vs. microsoft phenomenon. so many people use microsoft because they grew up with it (like me) and they say mean stuff about macs.. and allmost 90% of them dont own a mac or didnt even get a feel for it. they just fall for the same old myth's that are arround for years. i totally stopped buying M$ lies after vista and that not existing 'object recognition' BS on surface. getting a little to technical here..

i actually think the moonlanding is related to 'believe' because nobody of us could actually go to the moon and check for themselfs so we have to believe whats there and measure the facts and open questions equally. everybody carries his own truth. and if you think scientist know the truth, then you are wrong, because they wouldnt build a giant ring in the ground just for the fun of it. all powerd by assumption and believe to understand whats going on.

whatever.. peace!

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"In a private survey conducted in 2001, 76.5% of American adults identified themselves as Christian, down from 86.4% in 1990."
- so now they should be at 68% by now (declining trend). also its a private survey and (the rest of the world) knows what they can think of private surveys coming from the US.

Also a state/government filled with 68% christians doesnt sound so free to me or anyone else of the rest of the world exept if you are christian. hypocrit small town faschists thats what american christians stand for and you are one of the sheeps. such a waste of life and energy.

@ post #54
keep trying .. at least its more productive/creative then anything USAnumber0 did till now

"82% christians"
-> welcome to the free world!


"But the Government does not use religion to make law or control anyone."
-> ROTFL !!!


"15% of the citizens in western Europe consider religion an important part of their life"
-> I dont know where you heard that but this is just total BS! Europa has about an average of 50% (believing there is a god) and we got a lot of other religions arround here. 15% dont believe in god! that number is raising, thank god
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Europe
here you can find also some maps about europe
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/maps_of_europe.shtml


This should be enough about the bertelsmann thing:
"Especially in Germany, the Bertelsmann Foundation has been subject to criticism for their engangement in the political field. Their engagement in politics is an explicit part of their agenda, and they have been active especially in educational politics and labour politics, where they became well known for promoting neoliberal ideas such as an increase of competition in education and research and for the introduction of tuition fees to the German university system. While conforming with right-wing ideals, the foundation has been accused of by civil rights movements of channeling their concepts into reforms of public universities in order to eliminate traditional values such as free access to education and academic autonomy."


about the gay thing:
check out what your fellow americans think about that (if you want to believe 1.100 of 300.000.000 people)...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108115/Americans-Evenly-Divided-Morality-Homosexuality.aspx

but dealing with you is wasted time/energy anyway...

"As far as 50% of Europeans believing there IS a God , well hell, even demons believe that!"
you didnt read my links baby... sad

you 2 are just sad.

"As an atheist do you really think there is no God or Creator that gave us this fantastic world? Is this just all happenstance?"

-- R.O.T.F.L.!!! Thats the point of being an atheist!

Theist: a human who believes in the existance of god.
Atheist: a human who doesnt believe in the existance of god.
Antitheist: a human who believes that Theist's are bad.

Faschist: a human who believes only in his own race.
Antifaschist: a human who believes that Faschist's are bad.

So there are no Antifaschists without Faschists and no Atheists without Theists.


There is...

no god
no creator
no holy spirit
no jesus
no angels
no ghosts
no heaven
no hell
no satan
no fate
no santa claus
no easter bunny
no elfs
no flying spagetti monster
no david copperfield running through walls
no freddy krüger
no nemo
no matrix
no mickey mouse
no goofy
no superman
no spiderman
no batman
no mobi dick
no harry potter
no witches
no merlin
no monster of loch ness
no gremlins
no a-team
no rocky
no it
no terminator
no indiana jones
no resurrection
no good
no evil
no wonders
etc.
etc.
etc.

It's that easy!

*full comment coming from 'my own intelligence', except the first quote of cause

Wow your post just exploded of (your own) intelligence. You are so special that you know there is evil ? So you have seen evil? Like you have seen terrorists flying into wtc? ... uuh you scared little blinded kid and praying to god i would die soon? If you had some intelligence on your own you would realise, as me being someone who doesnt believe in prayers and all that other EVIL bullshit the church shoots to your head, you can just keep your religious-death-threats for yourself. Just sad to see your brainwashed bigot stuff again and again.

Plato argued that which we call evil is merely ignorance and that good is that which everyone desires. Benedict de Spinoza said that the difference between good and evil is merely one of personal inclinations: "So everyone, by the highest right of Nature, judges what is good and what is evil, considers his own advantage according to his own temperament."

You forgot dresden. napalm and he atomic bomb.

"Rubbish, what I believe will never be dependant on what anybody else might or might not believe."

.. wait . let me do some math here...
all the stuff i believe can be counted, it might be a lot but its countable ..
all the stuff i dont believe is infinite...
you should at least see the difference between thinking about something and not believing it or not believing something you never thought about.

catch my drift?

fitst you whine about simplicity and then you do it yourself? c'mon

i agree partly with you on "good" & "evil" and i would say its just spiritual ( religious ) and not real ( scientific ) .

That which we call evil is merely ignorance and ignorance is real but evil is a spiritual interpretation of your own closing in that there is some overruling force (the devil) that decided that this should happen.

there is a very interesting movie you should watch, its on archive.org and totally legal.
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

witch doctors use the same spiritual tricks as religions.

its not anti american propaganda. its an eye-opener for everybody (especially americans). so we all (world) be more careful in the future in what we believe. did you watch the whole movie (3hours) ? its a red line that goes from 1945 till now. and i didnt say that i praise the movie, its interesting to think about it. the other movies there are interesting too. ie: 'the trap'.

"...were gonna stay this way no matter who gets into our leadership positions."
as a nonbeliever this sounds like a declaration of war but i have no doubt about that it will stay that way. i have seen the documentary 'Jesus Camp' and i know what you american christians are capable of. the moslims are doing there propaganda job as good as the christians. we will see what will happen if religions keep being ignorant.

'doctors' ... lol

out of context -- not at all... you said: 'america founded on god and bible... christian nation since it was born .. no change..'
this is just offensive for everyone in the US that doesnt do it the christian way.

'bombing of same general idea' ... like if you are watching a movie about birds that you get bombarded with the idea of birds all over again .. lol .. you should watch it till the end before you make a conclusion.

'every1 to his own taste' ... or there own ignorance ...

what ever, i get tired of argueing with people that dont try/want to understand.

Kasumi
of course everybody believes there own things. no doubt. but believes are the engine of the world, so i dont agree with that island theory..

and about changing believes.. believes itself do no harm but the actions that evolve from them. for example.. there are a lot of africans that believe that sleeping with a virgin would cure their HIV-Infection. the results are quite a few virgin rapes.. i believe it would be a good idea to teach them otherwise..

believes are THE big issue of the 21th century and we all have to find ways to deal wth that.

Both are wrong with 'arround a mile'.

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen Roberts

the problem with the virgin superstition is that they is no reason why it should work. after all its a superstition.
http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2002/april/virgin.htm

'doesnt ur opinion of that superstiton ruin ur opinion of being a atheist???'
wtf are you talking about ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bjOyt9PBzA

You keep believing, I'll keep evolving.

1+1=3 is wrong not evil