Internet Citizens: Defend Net Neutrality - CGP Grey

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-13 1. Klemm commented 10 years ago

Downvoted because of populistic/biased/one sided representation of the issue. In short the issue is that we (the users) like to pay fixed monthly fees for the net. If we were to pay the same as we do for electricity (=by actual usage), the whole problem would go away.

If you want to know what's really going on and to get both sides of the story then i recommend: http://twit.tv/show/security-now/457
(subject starting from ~08:30)
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+8 2. Kulgash commented 10 years ago

Even though it oversimplify the issue of Net Neutrality, I think this video will make some people want to search for more information about it.
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+2 3. Cloe commented 10 years ago

well not entirely true.
i'm still speecheless about the fact that my country(Romania), is ranked no.3 in top 10 fastest internet conections(acording to speedtest.net by ookla), we have like 5-6 major ISPs who provide fiber internet for about 15 euros on avrege....i have 1000Mb/s(125MB/s) download speed,but my pc is oldder so i won't get this speed, even so is 59 lei=13euro/month. i don't think ISPs will stop this race betwen them and start reducing speeds...maybe in US.... but not here.
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+4 4. dvandok commented 10 years ago

#1 you're missing the point. We already pay for use, because of the limit on my subscription. Some people (e.g. here in the Netherlands) are on 50 MB/s, others at 100 MB/s, and I am on 8 MB/s (which is fine for me). ISPs charge based on these limits.

Without net neutrality ISPs would be allowed to squeeze IP TV, telephony, video services etc. if they view this as competition of their own offerings. Basically allowing them to monopolize their hold of the data line. All for the purpose of MAKING MORE MONEY. Unless you are an ISP, this isn't good news.

Just to make one thing very clear: internet telephony is so low-bandwith, there is no technical reason whatsoever to squeeze it. Just a business/financial reason.
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+2 5. MajorIdea commented 10 years ago

#1 The subject of net neutrality is one of those rare discussions where the other side of the story only exists out of special interests, misinformation or ignorance.

It would be like saying: "Yes, air has always been free but look at the other side of the story - there have never been so many people on earth so if we don't want to run out of air or simply if you want to live in a place with less pollution and better quality air."

It's a stupid analogy that makes no sense, but since ending net neutrality is a stupid proposal that makes no sense I think I'm okay with it. :(|)
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-3 6. Klemm commented 10 years ago

#4 nope, you are. those limits you mention are the same to your net contract as your electricity contract has in amperage = maximum throughput.
The power company bills you by kW used. In net usage that directly equates to kB transferred. If we were billed by kB transferred then things would be fair.

But would you agree to that if your ISP sent you a notification that starting tomorrow, that's how things are going to be? No?? You would switch ISP the next day? Though so.

And THAT's the real problem here. Can't change an established market like that overnight.

PS! I realize this is the last place attempt to have intelligent discussion. My original comment was the fault of alcohol. I am sorry. Wont do it again. Unless drunk.
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+6 7. Sizzlik (admin) commented 10 years ago

#6 I dont think you can compare electricity to data. You can more likely compare it to a gas station (ISP). Imagine you fill your gas tank and you have the choice..buy this gas (website xxx) and you need to wait 5min..or buy that gas(website yyy) and you have to wait 1h or pay extra to get it faster. You get the same for the same ammount of money..but the moguls can decide how fast, where, and if you have to pay extra for better service.
For example they can say all internet is the same speed..but if you exceed xxx mb on site xxx you will be slowed down unless you pay extra...would you like to pay extra to watch youtube vids in HD? That way they can force you also to use their services..hence Net Neutrality
They dont sell the fuel..they sell the size of the hose then..and the hose is still bigger then needed (in most places)
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0 8. joeman commented 9 years ago

Hmmm... interesting.