Humans Need Not Apply

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+6 1. Gondy10 commented 8 years ago

That is why I wonder why people nowadays still having more than 2 children (while they are not certain if they can give support) ? Unemployment is getting ugly every year and prices of commodities, utilities, etc are rising.

Can't imagine after 50 years where oil might not be there anymore? :( :(
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+3 2. johannsommer commented 8 years ago

Whom do robots serve? If humans are intelligent, the only thread is a question of organization. Either they want to work. Then the will have the choice to do the work. Or they want to be lazy. Then robots can do the work and people needn't work.

This video makes me angry, as the speaker doesn't think about the humans as lords of the robots to use them for their purpose, but humans as victims of the robots.
When robots really are (and I am not as sure) able to replace any thinkable job, then really people needn't work and society will be able to give all people all they need to live in good quality. This is only a question of organization.

The question is, whether we have the intelligence to organize such an civilization.
Currently, that may not be forgotten, very cheap slaves over the world work 60 hours a week without holidays and without any fair wage to steal any western people any jobs. Far more effectively than robots within the next 10 years.
And this is a problem of the absolute not liberal worldwide economy within a style of capitalistic anarchy of the mighty, who spread poverty all over the world without necessity.

The fair economy worldwide is the real thread for our intelligence. When we solve this thread, neither slavery (which then doesn't exist), nor robots will destroy our live quality.
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+3 3. LightAng3l commented 8 years ago

There is one thing they will never have... and that's imagination.
Humans have talent and skill, and they can imagine something and invent it. Robots are just very good "monkey see monkey do" type of thing. They learn, yes, but they can't invent.

Also, #1, minorities always have large number of children, think of gypsy families, or Mexican families, or think of Somalia, or Ethiopia. You always see thous poor people surrounded by 12 children, on the other hand rich people have mostly, one kid, that they spoil with a Ferrari that he crashes while snorting cocaine and dies.
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+2 4. WildMonkey commented 8 years ago

WTF are you talking about? It's not a sci-fi human vs robots things, it about automation. We've always done this, if we find a better cheaper substitute we use it. I think most of what the video talks about (especially in transportation) is going to happen. How fast? Who knows, certainly not over night, maybe steadily over the next 50 years or so.
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0 5. bazinga commented 8 years ago

"Humans need not apply" indeed they don't, for the simple reason we made us not need ourselves. Which is not a bad thing. Its called; evolve. There is just one variable who is causing confusion and doubts for the future. And as long as it rules our nations we will become the rot our own creation. Economy! Remove economy from the equations, and poverty, no one goes hungry and jobs for everyone, jobs that no on want, the robots do.
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+1 6. BloodBeast commented 8 years ago

My god, this is depressing. Not so much for me, since I'm nearing the end of my working life anyway, but for my kids. Fortunately they have had a good education, but this video suggests that even that won't be enough. Woe...

And the Star Trek TNG world with Picard saying "We don't use money - we have enough resources to support everyone and to concentrate on bettering ourselves" is pie in the sky. Robots will be used to feather the beds of the élite - f**k the unemployed underclass.
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+3 7. huldu commented 8 years ago

#7 I couldn't agree more. It's like they're making it out to be a good thing that robots take over job spots. What they're forgetting is all those people without proper eduction, the wrong skills etc, what are they suppose to do? It's bad enough as it is today with unemployment rate off the charts.

Don't get me wrong I think it's awesome with robots, AI and all that stuff, but I tend to think about the people. Overpopulation is a huge issue and it's only going to get worse. When you're replacing humans with machines, you're creating unemployed poor people. How long do you think it'll last until they revolt? People will only allow themselves to be pushed along for so long. We might not see anything happen during our lifetime but our children's children may. It won't be pretty.
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0 8. majais commented 8 years ago

Most production where robots are involved have more or less to do with consuming. The 'problem' will resolve itself. When people do not have work because they are replaced by robots, they don't have cash to consume so the 'people' that use robots instead of humans in their production will sell NOTHING anymore :D . This 'economy' that the video talks about is a 'suicide-economy' and i do not feel any empathy for anyone involved. The ones that are really doomed are the super rich because all what they believe in (money) they can loose while the ones that ultimately will own nothing have nothing to loose and can adapt to the changes that are ahead. It's not a depressing time it's an exciting moment on earth right now.
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+1 9. dvandok commented 8 years ago

Nice going, getting everybody all worked up about the future like that. But there's a couple of things that need mentioning.

First of all, while all of these technologies are already here, there is a gulf between the proof of principle and deployment on scale. For instance, Grid Computing started around the early 2000s and only now is picking up pace (renamed Cloud Computing).

Secondly, the transitions are going to be far smoother than shown here. The truck that collects the garbage in our street used to have three guys 5 years ago. Now it's one guy and a 'robot arm' to pick up the bins. The self-driving fully automated version is at least 10 years away.

Thirdly, there's the economy. The price of energy will pick up and become a more significant element in the overall picture. Running a data centre for just a couple of these mechanical brains costs in the order of 400 kW. Also, we're not building robots to amuse, feed or breed robots. At the end of the chain there is always the human consumer that sets the price. If he can't afford it because he's out of a job, the market crumbles.

Lastly, I'm not going to buy mechanical music. I doubt that any machine will match up to Pink Floyd any time soon. ;-)

There are good points made in this video, and some good examples, but I refuse to lie down and be called the 'new horse', dammit! When was the last time horses had the right to vote, hm?