Doug Stanhope on USA vs UK Violence
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2. Thanos commented 9 years ago
#1 I don't disagree with the underlying idea, but there is also the flip side.
In a country where being armed is such a commonplace that strangers may think twice before starting something petty on a street / in a pub, it is also much simpler for properly motivated... or desperate... people to get a hold of these arms and then use them to gain whatever it is they wish to gain. More than that, it also significantly raises the odds of these people actually going through with whatever impulse or plan they may have, because arms have that sort of an empowering effect. As pointed out in the video, melee just doesn't cut it anymore... and healthcare system's situation is probably of a lesser concern to those people...
In a country where being armed is such a commonplace that strangers may think twice before starting something petty on a street / in a pub, it is also much simpler for properly motivated... or desperate... people to get a hold of these arms and then use them to gain whatever it is they wish to gain. More than that, it also significantly raises the odds of these people actually going through with whatever impulse or plan they may have, because arms have that sort of an empowering effect. As pointed out in the video, melee just doesn't cut it anymore... and healthcare system's situation is probably of a lesser concern to those people...
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4. sux2bu commented 9 years ago
Maybe the shitty weather over there just makes Brits angry all the time and wanting
to hit someone in the head.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
to hit someone in the head.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
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7. dvandok commented 9 years ago
#5: not that argument again... the idea that armed citizens form any deterrent against crime is so hare-brained I'm just gob-smacked. I can't imagine any single scenario where a felony was foiled and people all around would go: 'wew, I'm sure glad that good man/woman/kid had a GUN or it would have all gone terribly wrong!'
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8. sux2bu commented 9 years ago
#7 You must be the most uninformed person on planet earth.
Armed citizens in the US prevent and stop thousands of assault,robbery,and
home invasion attempts each year.
Need proof? You might want to modify your thinking after
looking at some......
http://theguntoter.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0SloK6pB4g
The second one is actually also on snotr from a couple of years ago.
Armed citizens in the US prevent and stop thousands of assault,robbery,and
home invasion attempts each year.
Need proof? You might want to modify your thinking after
looking at some......
http://theguntoter.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0SloK6pB4g
The second one is actually also on snotr from a couple of years ago.
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9. ihateregistering commented 9 years ago
The state never picks up the tab to fix it, that is utter bullshit.
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10. Thanos commented 9 years ago
#8 Your example serves as a fine showcase for both sides: I can see an armed citizen stopping the crime in progress, as much as I can see a very pathetic class of criminal that is highly unlikely to ever lay hand on a gun in any country where it is even slightly difficult to do so...
But let's not forget this situation could have ended up a bloody mess as easily. The robber was likely just some punk with little to no proficiency in using a gun, someone who clearly wanted to use the gun mainly for its intimidation prowess rather than to actually shoot someone with it. I imagine that if his intentions / motivation / guts were of a more serious tone, the result would unlikely be him running away but, much more likely, a shootout... Would anyone still consider it a good idea for the grandpa to intervene, if a shootout (injuring x and possibly killing y) were to ensue?
But let's not forget this situation could have ended up a bloody mess as easily. The robber was likely just some punk with little to no proficiency in using a gun, someone who clearly wanted to use the gun mainly for its intimidation prowess rather than to actually shoot someone with it. I imagine that if his intentions / motivation / guts were of a more serious tone, the result would unlikely be him running away but, much more likely, a shootout... Would anyone still consider it a good idea for the grandpa to intervene, if a shootout (injuring x and possibly killing y) were to ensue?
+4 1. ValdeLevis commented 9 years ago
Check this out...
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." -Robert A. Heinlein
Heinlein was one of my favorite authors. It should be obvious that he was a rather enlightened man. I dare say he was a genius.