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+6 1. sux2bu commented 6 years ago

And that's a fact ! Saturday Night Live comes up with some funny skits.
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-4 2. Judge-Jake commented 6 years ago

Its two things, sad and true. And guns doth butter no parsnips :S
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+3 3. Zebulun commented 6 years ago

I'd love it if someone gave me a gun for a gift, they're freakin' expensive!

Of course SNL portrays the gun recipients like a bunch of irresponsible rednecks, which can't be farther from the truth given that a vast majority of legal gun owners know how to responsibly handle their firearm.
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-3 4. segregatethelazy commented 6 years ago

#3 Source?
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-2 5. thundersnow commented 6 years ago

I am not making a comment regarding this video :P
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+1 6. Voutelamberopipi commented 6 years ago

#3 Name one first world country with a higher firearm-related death rate.
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+3 7. Zebulun commented 6 years ago

#4 Honestly I'm not sure how one can source this information. My source comes from personal experience and friends/family/police that own firearms. If you speak to legal gun owners, you will be hard pressed to find one that doesn't understand some very paramount and basic safety rules such as...
1. Always assume a weapon is loaded.
2. Never point a weapon at anyone (unless your planning to fire at them in a life/death situation).
3. Ensure your safety is on at all times until ready to fire.
4. Keep your finger off the trigger (typically held straight along the length of the barrel) until ready to fire.
5. Keep your firearm in a locked box and/or a trigger lock at all times.
6. Keep firearms away from children unless they're supervised and in a learning/teaching situation.

#6 You can find information regarding firearm related deaths by country here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate.jpg
I'm not sure how a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd world country has any bearing on how violent a society is. Feel free to google "list of first world countries" for a map...and frankly who decides why a country is 3rd world? I've been to Brazil and except for the huge disparity between the poor and middle/upper class, I find them to be just as capable as any 1st world nation.
Gun ownership within the US is not something we expect the rest of the world to understand. Guns are woven into the history/fiber of our country as they were integral into establishing our freedom from oppressive govt. and used as tools for hunting. Gun ownership today is about home protection, sport (target, skeet), hunting, resistance to an invading enemy army and protection against a usurp-tatious govt. (which happens occasionally around the world so it's ignorant to think it can't happen in the US).
Let me end by saying this...
Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming spoons for Manuel Uribe (the world's fattest man) for being fat.
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-2 8. ughlah commented 6 years ago

#7 You did answer your own question. If you are that poor that you cannot afford food, medcine or safe housing, chances of using a gun to get that are way higher. If you look at the list of the first world countries non of them is war torn, each of them produces way more food than it can possibly consume and each should be able to take care of its ill.

Guns dont kill people, thats true, it's people with guns. And your country hands them out to everyone, even the most irresponsible, the poorest, the dumbest. And thats exactly where the problem lies. It's not the people who follow those 6 simple rules, it's that percentage of people who do not. And to be honest, there is quite a lot of morons out there.

Would you move to a poor part of your country with all of your family and still feel safe? Instead of taking their guns away you would probably buy more guns for yourself and you still wouldnt be safe.
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+6 9. Thanny commented 6 years ago

#4 How about from statistics? The US is a nation with around 330 million people, and, if estimates are to be believed (there are no reliable actual figures), about 300 million guns. Yet around 10 thousand people each year are killed by another person with a gun. Even if you assume that only 1 in 10 people in the US own a gun, that means 99.97% or so of gun owners are responsible enough to not kill someone with their gun each year.

The reason for the relative abundance of gun killings in the US has nothing to do with the guns themselves, which any honest person who examines all the pertinent facts would have to conclude. You can start with the relative abundance of non-gun killings (typically more than all killings combined in other first world nations), and search for an explanation of that.
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+6 10. sux2bu commented 6 years ago

#6 The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership - and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer - 54.8 per 100 people.
• But the US does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people.
• Puerto Rico tops the world's table for firearms murders as a percentage of all homicides - 94.8%. It's followed by Sierra Leone in Africa and Saint Kitts and Nevis in the Caribbean.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list
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-1 11. thundersnow commented 6 years ago

At the end of the day we continue to have deadly school shootings on a regular basis, something wrong with that picture!
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+2 12. sux2bu commented 6 years ago

Troubled people with low opinions of themselves who want instant fame sometimes resort to cowardly acts of gun violence like going to target-rich gun-free zones like schools and movie theaters where there is little chance of anyone shooting back at them. Most all of the mass shooters have been on mind-altering psychiatric drugs. At least 35 acts of school-related acts of violence, including mass shootings,resulting in 169 wounded and 79 killed , have been committed by individuals taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs documented in 22 drug regulatory agency warnings to cause mania, psychosis, hostility, aggression and homicidal ideation.
That is the problem that needs to be addressed instead of making it harder for the over 99% of citizens to own a firearm who will never commit a crime with it.
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-4 13. thundersnow commented 6 years ago

And at the end of the day we still have all these deadly shootings because no one wants to address anything in any way. Period!
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+2 14. LaoMa commented 6 years ago

#7: I think you're right onto point with the history lesson. Guns have been widely available in the US for such a long time, there's no easy way out anymore.

More than trying to ban guns the US should really concentrate on fixing the corrections system. Hard punishments tend to make criminals more violent and has statistically had little success at lowering crime rates.
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+1 15. sux2bu commented 6 years ago

#14 Not a single executed murderer has ever come back to harm innocents. :D
Also, when twenty-something year old criminals have served 25 or 30 years locked-up
they tend to have out-grown all that young and foolish activity that got
them locked-up in their youth. Too many violent offenders are released after
only serving short sentences and they continue with their violent ways and hurt
more people. There is no easy solution to the crime problem but trying to take
guns from a free people would result in civil war I am afraid.
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-2 16. thundersnow commented 6 years ago

Yes, #15, and no innocent executed has ever come back either to live again which brings us to the next subject, the idiocracy of the death penalty! Obviously you support that too.:S :(
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+1 17. oleHashow commented 6 years ago

zebulum
Seems funny that you claim that police is handling fire arms responsibly
Maybe throw in army also?
Still if a person comes to kill you - your locked firearm wont help you
and if a person comes to rob you - shooting at them is kinda overkill, dont you agree?
anything else you need gun for?
oh right sport ? lol what kind of sport is aiming
real problem is that USA is making way to much arms and they cant sell them abroad for good money so they sell them to you residents of usa at like high prize as you say. So that your shity economy some how holds and your weapon race keeps you in top position so you can play police or dictator to whole world and have your oil.
Last time the land where US is now, was invaded by europeans. So i dont really see what is the problem here, why are you paranoid that someone will invade your country?
and privately owned fire arms are like 10% compared to what government holds. So you also wont be able to resist your government.
sux2bu
i bet they were made in usa
also i think its dumb to compare 3rd world country with you guys who shoot for fun
Also people who have guns in those countries have guns to kill people, not kill deers or shoot at targets.
How can you feel free if you need a gun to protect yourself?
It is much harder to kill something without the gun
so why you want to have it easy ?
damn psycho
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-1 18. sux2bu commented 6 years ago

#17 I think you are getting your comments mixed-up between more than two of us. I did not mention third world countries.
What do you think were made in the US?
I can feel free and prepared for defence because I know criminals have guns.
It would be really hard to fight-off two or three armed or not armed intruders at 2:00 AM in the morning if you were not armed...that would be you as a victim. My 12ga.pump gun makes it easier to do.
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-1 19. thundersnow commented 6 years ago

#17 is right, you #18 did throw the US in with third world countries in your #10 comment, which you can read again to refresh your memory. And Puerto Rico, being a US territory, is as similar as the US as it can get. So your comparisons suck.
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+1 20. oleHashow commented 6 years ago

#18 i thought you were saying something
but you just copy pasted some stats that arent complete
Sierra Leone and Puerto Rico dont have any civilian firearms who then is responsible for those homicides with firearms. this statistic doesnt include illegal firearm and those are the real problem.
Since people dont plan to kill people with registered gun, some do , but they are at the end and im prety sure you would kill also if you would have a chance to do it justified.
im kinda sorry i dragged you into my comment, but since you are here would you give up your gun if your government decides to ban them?

i was thinking guns that killed those people were made in Usa, since usa exports more than 50% of all firearm exports in the world.

point is that im annoyed with the fact that NRA claims that people kill people, not guns
yet you cant say that 3 year old killed his mom. im prety sure gun did it,
you may also say that it was an accident,
like car crash then soon we ll have a debate about autopilot cars or no autopilot cars couse people kill people, not cars and every one should have self driving car and roads will be safer.
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-1 21. sux2bu commented 6 years ago

#19 & #20 I referenced ALL countries in the link which is complete and which included first and third world countries and if you bothered to look at the link it gives a complete list of statistics.
#20 Sierra Leone and Puerto Rico both have very lenient gun laws which make purchasing and carrying guns legal.In Puerto Rico you don't even need a concealed-weapons permit to carry your gun concealed.
No I would not give my guns up and neither would about 150 million other Americans. We consider them an inalienable right that is supposed to be protected by our Government even though our current Pres has said he does not believe citizens should have guns,only police and military.....hmmmm Hitler and Stalin said the same things.Obama doesn't like a lot of things about our Constitution.
The US is actually at 31% and Russia is at 27% of weapons exported to the world but that includes military planes and other large weapons.

http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Sierra-Leone-lifts-ban-on-small-arms-20120801

http://concealednation.org/2015/06/breaking-court-victory-gives-puerto-rico-permitless-concealed-carry-and-open-carry/
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0 22. oleHashow commented 6 years ago

all countries means you are comparing 3rd world countries and 1st world countries dont you get that?

and you clearly didnt saw stats couse you would notice there are blank spots where they dont know how many people were killed or how many guns they have

31% i thought we were talking about firearms
if you want to scale it up maybe talk about US exporting war to other countries?
wonder how many people US residents killed outside their borders

its nice that you hide with those 150 milion people you are all criminals couse you wont obey the law and who made you the spokesman for all those people?
so as you said it before criminals have guns you have gun and you wouldnt give it away to your gov therefor you will or already are a criminal.

also i think 150 milion is like 50% of you all you telling me every 2nd person in us has registered gun?
1st link did you even read it?
do you understand what it tell you ?
they had a ban on guns in 2007(since2002) and they lifted that ban 2012 and they need license and regulate arms transfers.
2nd link is from 2015
Do you understand how we count days and years?
if you do :) you are comparing US to Puerto Rico saying.
As in they are even worse so USA are ok(probably fgreat in your mind).

TBh i think those 150mil should be transfered to Puerto Rico and wall it up.
earlier verison was wall up USA let them kill each other
Maybe it would be better on a smaller lot so people would kill each other faster.
Also its kinda hard to conceal weapon on tropical isle.

lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico it says here president is barack obama
lol lol lol lol haahahaha hahaha
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-1 23. sux2bu commented 6 years ago

#22 You seem to be kinda' dumb. You said Sierra Leone and Puerto Rico don't have any civilian firearms and that is a lie that you seem to overlook here. The ban on weapons in Sierra Leone was put in place because of their civil war that ended in 2002 and it was lifted in 2012.
And if you own a gun you do not have to register it , but if you buy one from a FFL dealer you have to undergo a criminal background check but sales between private citizens do not need one.
Our Constitution is our law and the Government will never be able to change the 2nd Amendment to it so don't fret about us becoming criminals. If they try to change over 240 years of tradition it would cause a civil war and door to door fighting. Our military is sworn to defend the Constitution from all enemies ,foreign AND domestic.
At only three gun homicides per 100,000 people in the US I think we are doing pretty good,especially since a large number of those homicides are gang-bangers and drug dealer shootings.
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+1 24. oleHashow commented 6 years ago

oh now i get your point
since there are other laws that are worse than your its ok for you guys to have semi good law that kinda hold shit together and shouldnt be better it is good as it is.

and you showing me laws of other war ravaged poor corrupted countries how good they have it right ?
maybe im dumb couse i dont really know that 2nd amendment isnt a law and cant be changed

tradition
you should have 250 year old guns then. Did your great great great grand pa left you with that pump gun?
Probably you made or bought replica right?
or maybe you think the tradition of killing people ever since Columbus named native people of america - Indians.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/American_Indian_Genocide
nice tradition i dont get how can you be proud of that
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-1 25. sux2bu commented 6 years ago

#24 You are probably a good guy but you are limited in what you know about America. To start with Columbus was Italian under contract with Spain....he wasn't American. All the mostly English colonists who came to this land over the next 250 years or so were not American either, they were subjects of King George and the rulers who ruled before him. Starting in 1776 the colonies went to war with England and won our independence. The Constitution was created to enumerate the rights that would be given to the people and they were considered granted by God and inalienable and protected by the Government. The Bill of Rights was part of the Constitution and the second amendment to it says that the right to bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. One of the main reasons for that was that the harsh rule by England had made the colonists fearful of another tyrannical ruler and an armed population is a hedge against that. The people were expected to have weapons equal to the military to be able to defend against tyrants.
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0 26. oleHashow commented 6 years ago

well thank you for history lesson
i know this one boston tea party people destroyed tea and probably ships also
from that british eastindian company, which sold opium to chinesse.

so historically once upon a time people sold drugs legaly own other people
there was heroin in cough medicine for kids
things change why cant you see better future without guns?
or are we still just animals

also it is kinda strange to expect tyrannical ruler if you have democracy.

But tbh i could be wrong since US gov transported out twin towers without properly examining what really happened there
and i (asume) that there would be kinda easy to find all the steel and figure out what happened to it.