Inside the Svalbard Seed Vault

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+4 1. ringmaster commented 7 years ago

One of those vaults was unfortunately in Syria :'(
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+9 2. isitmeor commented 7 years ago

Weird, why not cannabis ? Cannabis has many therapeutic uses (apart from the "recreational" ). It seems unwise to not preserve it.
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+1 3. thundersnow commented 7 years ago

Veritasium (Derek Muller) <3
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+2 4. kirkelicious commented 7 years ago

GMO seeds could have the potential to feed humanity after a global catastrophe. Excluding them for ideological reasons seems a little naive to me.
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+2 5. oleHashow commented 7 years ago

science? seems to me more like commerce go to ver... use free then buy, you should cut out the part at the end

i thought gmo seeds cant produce new seeds so you have to buy new ones every year from them.

as for cannabis it survived a lot even before people came along so you shouldnt worry about it
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+5 6. kirkelicious commented 7 years ago

#5 That's wrong. GMO seeds reproduce like any other seeds. What you probably think of is hybrids, whose offspring do not have the same traits (like big yields) as their parents. These have nothing to do with genetic engineering. They are like mules, who are a cross breed of donkeys and horses and often are infertile. There are ways of creating what is called "Terminator Seeds", seeds that produce sterile plants by hybridization of genetically altered plants, but these have never been commercially produced.
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+1 7. oleHashow commented 7 years ago

yeah my bad we need to buy new seeds every year couse of the patent on gmo seeds.
and those patent holders restrict reseeding harvested seeds by non gmo patent holders
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+5 8. somas commented 7 years ago

i hope we will never need it ...
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+1 9. thundersnow commented 7 years ago

...and he is Canadian <3
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-2 10. tiggfigg commented 7 years ago

No Monsatan seeds. Good. 8-)
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+1 11. Urmensch commented 7 years ago

Even organic seeds are often patented.

The real reason people buy seed is because the seeds you buy are hybrids produced so you can be sure of a consistent harvest. If you keep these seeds and grow them again the next year sexual reproduction will have shuffled the genes so the new crop will not breed true.

Long before GM crops seeds were produced from hybrids, and new seed was bought every year because it is beyond what most farmers can do, as well as run a farm.

"and those patent holders restrict reseeding harvested seeds by non gmo patent holders"
That's just bullshit.
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0 12. tiggfigg commented 7 years ago

#4 Most GMO only provide a trait that makes them resistant to a certain non-selective herbicide and provides no benefit in a survival situation.

Also most modern varieties respond better to higher levels of chemical fertilizers so again no benefit in a dooms day situation.
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0 13. oleHashow commented 7 years ago

1st about my bullshit
Justice Kagan concluded that Bowman could resell the patented seeds he obtained from the elevator, or use them as feed, but that he could not produce additional seeds (that is, crops

2nd about your bullshit
searching for non gmo patents yield nothing so give me an exsample
here is some failed attempt to do so
They were saying they did something but they didnt
They probably just found a particular gene that does that and then say they did it.

Long before money was here farmers saved and plant their own seeds.
If we go back to Bowman he went beyond what most farmers can do and produced his own seeds.

You need to understand that people who produce seeds are farmers, as well. Their goal is to harvest seeds and other farmers goal is to harvest crops.

Of course there are plants that crop is also seed like beans. As were soybeans in Bowman case.

#12 agree great point and the real reason why they shouldnt be in the vault
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+1 14. Urmensch commented 7 years ago

#13 "In a unanimous opinion written by Justice Elena Kagan, the Supreme Court ruled that Bowman's conduct infringed upon Monsanto's patent rights and that the doctrine of patent exhaustion does not permit a farmer to reproduce patented seeds through planting and harvesting without the patent holder's permission."

You wrote, ""and those patent holders restrict reseeding harvested seeds by non gmo patent holders""

Writing non-gmo patent holder when referring to Bowman is nonsense. The patent holder is Monsanto. Bowman is not any kind of patent holder. He is just a farmer who tried to grow a patented seed variety without licence. A farmer having a licence to plant seed is not the same as being a patent holder.

Of course farmers can save their seeds. As long as they aren't doing so illegally like Bowman. If he wants Monsanto's seeds then let him buy a licence. If he doesn't want to buy a licence then he has plenty of other options.
A link about organic patents. I'll go into it more if you are interested.
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0 15. oleHashow commented 7 years ago

ok im sorry, by non license holders

but patents or licenses restrict, in order to protect patent holders
dont you agree
and you said it after sexual reproduction seed arent same
and since this farmer isnt proffesional breeder hell probably have worse seeds than proffesional seeder will produce for next year that will probably be even better than last years

so it should be in farmer interest to buy their seeds not couse he have to, but couse he wants to. since these seeds will give him better yield than his own seeds.
why do you need to restrict

thank you for link newer thought its so complicated. :)
still its funny to see that they are getting patent or certificate and all they did is cross breed or in gmo case invented a little bit of its genome.
and they control everything

but tbh if they dont make watermelon in banana or strawberry flavor its not really an invention

and i ve read that 10% of breeding companies control 75% of world seed market seems to me they really dont need so much patent protection. like up to 20 years on product that is changing couple of times a year. just insane

we are lucky nikola tesla lost his chance to patent alternating current and what if tim barners would patent www.

so patent is bad for everyone, but its holder.
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+1 16. Urmensch commented 7 years ago

#15 Often people don't really know the whole story if they only go by what the anti-Monsanto crowd tell them.
For example Monsanto spent $1.7 billion in 2014 on research and development. Roughly half of that was spent on traditional plant breeding. Think about it. Who would want to buy seed if it was only bred to resist a herbicide?
"Hi there. We've developed a new strain of corn. It tastes like ass, but you can use herbicide on it and it won't die!"
Farmers aren't stupid. They want the good breed of plant plus the herbicide resistance. That means they can use less herbicide and get a higher yield from the seed they sow.

In order to continue to invest in R&D to create the good strains they have to get a return on their investment. Patents were invented to protect innovation. The system isn't perfect, but farmers are making good profits even after paying the licence.
If there were no patents then there would be no incentive to develop new, and better strains of crops, and the farmers would lose out.
Unfortunately there is a lot of misinformation that comes from the Greens on this. They may mean well, but in my opinion they are wrong on many fronts, and I've seen them deliberately continue to spread lies they've been called out on.
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0 17. oleHashow commented 7 years ago

i must admit that i started hating monsanto after i watched some documentary how they got like 70% india-s farmers under their grip.

but i found this as my 1st search
1st 15minutes is enough said from my side

ofcorse you didnt say anything
anything good about monsanto is in their commercials where people are payed to say good things about them.

to go back in monsanto's past
1920-30 PCB polyclorinated biphenyl (banned after 50 years and still present all around the world top to bottom)
they were producing uranium for atom bomb
agent orange vietnam war
saccharin in cocacola,
aspartame, bovine growth hormone
and now gmo

bottom line - usa is waging covert war on the world and should be charged with crimes against humanity

PS:why would they need epicyte
and is this the kind of research and development they talk about when they say they spend 1.7 bilions of dolars on research - buying other firms.
seems to me they are kinda shit at research.

imagine when they figure out how to sterilize us via this shity research they do.
the real problem is that i do not fear unintentional, but seems to me they are going for intentional.
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+1 18. Urmensch commented 7 years ago

#17 That is not a documentary. It is a polemic. A real documentary gives both sides a chance.It's the same with the second link. Do you not see a problem with that?

It would be like someone making a documentary about evolution but only giving the creationists a voice.

People who don't understand these issues often end up flocking to others who have misgivings. Then it becomes an echo chamber. What if everything you think you know about Monsanto is a twisted version put out by activists? Because I started out very much like you. But I didn't just take the word of the antis. I went out and looked at the sources myself. And I found that they lie and repeat the same lies.

You can investigate yourself, or just go along with the fearmongers.
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0 19. oleHashow commented 7 years ago

see now you are getting the point what monsanto is doing
you know of revolving doors?
pepole working at monsanto then fda then monsanto again ?
im pretty sure those are facts and not something you need to hear both sides

polemic you say
shouldnt be polemic kept at parlament
seems to me they left this rabbit out the bag a bit to soon
and now whole freaking country has to run with it

i thought we have those people there to talk so ordinary people dont have to.

but please convert me i wanna be a beliver
tell me your research so i can see the light
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0 20. Urmensch commented 7 years ago

#19 I can't address your argument properly within a comment. Here is a link that might help you get started.
As I said, it is something you'd have to put the time in to investigate yourself, and to start you'd have to be open to the possibility that you have been fed a lot of half-truths and outright lies.