1:31 Yea, they conveniently "forgot" about that one.

Yes, Sux2bu this is absolutely HILLARIOUS satire and certainly not disingenuous pro Trump propaganda and messaging. The only element of truth as you call it is how successful the right wing and the alt-right has been in undermining the public confidence in the media – all media, except of course Fox news and Beightbart and Alex Jones etc etc, at the considerable detriment of America society and political discourse. Fake news, ‘alternative facts’, wholesale bald faced lies that are repeated and reinforced despite clear empirical evidence to the contrary, the denial of reality in some cases – you honestly think this has been a good thing for your country? I find it disappointing that Snotr’s mods continue to allow such blatant and inane pro Trump alt right propaganda to be posted but any clips critical of Trump never seem to make it. Does cable news on occasion sensationalize trivial stories to draw in viewers – yes. But is this grounds to argue that a news outlet like CNN is completely delegitimate? Of course not. Any news organization needs to be held accountable and have proper sourcing for stories and reports. The greatest propagator in the past 2 decades of ideological slanted news has been your favourite Fox news. And many would argue it has been at the expense of reasoned political discourse and American civil society. And of course, you are now suffering the consequences – the election of an utterly unqualified intellectually incurious narcissistic pathological liar and grotesque embarrassment as your president.

#2 No Austin the video was Shite it wasn't satire it was Shitire, I turned it off before the end and fell asleep a fifth of the way through your comment for the same reason.

#2 "I find it disappointing that Snotr’s mods continue to allow such blatant and inane pro Trump alt right propaganda to be posted but any clips critical of Trump never seem to make it."
Do you even watch the videos on snotr? 2 days ago there was an awkward anti Trump video. I suggest you go back and watch it. But find some plastic to cover your keyboard first.

#3 Haha...shitire..good one, nevertheless had to vote you down, JJ as Austin's commenst are, as always, one of the best here on snotr. Read it again, JJ, and please focus this time!

#JJ. ‘shitire’ Not a bad little portmanteau. ;-)

Unfortunately, call it ‘satire’ or ‘shitire’ JJ you have missed the point here. For people like snotraddict, fjwjr, sux2bu et al – this is not satirical in the slightest. This is almost certainly a world view and opinion that they hold. The belief that the main stream American media is disingenuous as best and that ANY coverage of Trump that is less than favourable or charitable is somehow a lie. Look at the title ‘Video Parodying CNN’s Fake New - sux2bu isn’t even attempting to disguise or hide his positionality unlike the Muslim benefits cheat vid that he posted a while back. And that is fine. In fact I can appreciate his transparency. But one should not be lulled into complacency, for sux2bu et al it is a truth wrapped in a lamely satirical shell which allows the propagation and the distancing (note the ‘there’s always an element of truth in it’ line) from the actual intention behind posting this vid. And that is making the charge that the main stream media, especially as it pertains to Trump, is not to be trusted. And more importantly, coursing throughout this video, via the mocking tone and deliberately clumsy acting, is the other premise that those who don’t accept this belief are either stupid, ignorant or not worthy of participation in discourse or society.

Sadly, this is just another iteration of the many insidious and dangerous messages whipped up by the alt right that have served to undermined American governance and permit a manifestly unqualified and dangerous person to become the president of the most powerful country on earth.

Austin you are so full of liberal alt-left beliefs that you can't distinguish fact from fiction. Since way before the election CNN,MSNBC and all the national news outlets were in the tank for Hillary just like they were for Obama. BO's policies crippled the growth of business and stifled job production (except for burger flipping jobs) all over the country and the tax-paying voters in the US said 'enough already'. Trump has done more to spur business growth and attract foreign investors in the last six months than BO's policies did in eight years.
Get over your bruised ego that Hillary lost (even though I don't know why you care) and start seeing what is really going on. CNN and their ilk have ignored every scandal surrounding Obama and Hillary for years until Fox and other conservative sites reported on them for all to see.
Everything from Monica's stained blue dress, to Benghazi, to Obama's IRS targeting conservative political organizations, the "major"news outlets ignored until they couldn't ignore it any more because of public pressure wanting to know.
CNN and others wanted to just anoint Hillary as President as is evident in their reporting leading up to the election....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YklGnu5NoE0

7. sux2bu Let the FAKE FACTS and the FAKE NEWS flow!!

>Trump has done more to spur business growth and attract foreign investors in the last six months than BO's policies did in eight years.

Sigh. He has been in office 99 days. That is hardly 6 months. More like 3 and change. So you start off with a Trumpian exaggeration. And Obama started out by inheriting the worst recession since the great depression thanks to W and his failed policies. Again another pesky fact. Obama started out deep in the hole and had to restore the US economy and world confidence and for that he did an admirable job.

And secondly any job growth and economic gains are a result of Obama policies and the momentum they have carried forward. This is just a fact. Growth and jobs and investments all take time to implement and Trump hasn’t been in office long enough. Much like Trump trumpeting the first jobs report. FALSE. LAME. He had no impact or influence on it. Those numbers were also in the pipeline.

What he has done? Aside from signing executive orders, a number of which like steel dumping tariffs are absolutely for show and have zero impact, he has accomplished very very little. Using Trump’s own stated benchmark of 100 days – he is historically the most unpopular and least accomplished US president EVER. Quite a feat given that his party has controlling majorities in the US govt.

But polls are not to be trusted. Yet in media appearance after appearance Trump has demonstrated rank ignorance, indifference, and a total lack of interest in policies and facts and issues related to governance at both the national and international levels. Stunning friends and allies with abrupt incoherence and the intellectual and emotional maturity and attention span of a child. But again, this is all just negative portrayal in the corrupt press / media. Unfair!

Perhaps we should allow Trump to present himself and his ideas and intellectual acuity in his own words. Nothing fake about this. Allow me to present an interview that Trump gave to the AP a week ago. This is a verbatim transcript. It is a bit long but well worth the read. The incoherence is shocking – and remember this is Trump in his own words. The man is manifestly unqualified and mentally unfit for the job.

Trump Interview: Full Transcript

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-interview-full-transcript

Sigh , I guess you had not noticed that Trump had been meeting with CEOs of business and manufacturing for months before he took office. Business leaders became more optimistic about keeping jobs in the US, and some foreign investors announced that since Trump won the election they had changed their attitude about investing in the US economy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/06/business/dealbook/donald-trump-mayayoshi-son-softbank.html

By comparison, plans for thousands of construction projects, including office complexes and hotels,were scrapped when it appeared that Obama might win the election in 2007 because of his promises to increase taxes and regulations on business (you know,the enemy) and to put coal and power companies out of business.
The recession in 2007 was a direct result of the bubble bursting in the housing market that was caused by mortgage companies and banks doing sub-prime loans at the direction of the previous administration before GW became President . And why did the army of financial regulators, with massive enforcement powers, allow 28 million high-risk loans to be made?
There’s a strong case that the answers can be traced to Sept. 12, 1992. On that day presidential candidate Bill Clinton proposed, in his campaign book “Putting People First,” using private pension funds to “invest” in government priorities, such as affordable housing, to “generate long-term, broad based economic benefits.” Seldom has such a radical proposal been so ignored during a campaign only to later lead to such devastating consequences.
The Clinton administration lost the battle to use pensions to fund low-income housing, but it succeeded in winning the war by drafting Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the commercial banking system into the affordable-housing effort. Bank regulators began to pressure banks to make subprime loans. Guidelines became mandates as each bank was assigned a letter grade on CRA loans. Banks could not even open ATMs or branches, much less acquire another bank, without a passing grade—and getting a passing grade was no longer about meeting local credit needs. Bill Clinton's dream of everyone being able to own a home turned into a nightmare for the country.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/barone/2008/10/06/democrats-were-wrong-on-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac

#5 Took your advice, focused then three seconds in my eyes started to glaze over. Any other idea's? By the way you need to read my comment at 14 on the reverse video above.
#6 Thinking about it maybe Shatire would be better.

Oh, Sux2bu, why am I not surprised by the obvious pivot to another topic, any other topic, then the failures and incompetence of your current president? The events leading up to financial crisis and where blame lies is an interesting topic but alas it is a clumsy diversion from the topic that you initiated by virtue of your video. Fake news and media’s refusal to report on all of the bigly success that your president has achieved this far. Sorry to not take the bait and drag you back to the topic at hand but I have to imagine that the average American, as Trump put it, is getting tired of all the winning that he has had thus far. I would be. His achievements in the 1st 100 days are exhausting. But don’t take it from me, take it from Andrew Sullivan – a conservative intellectual.

‘Every day, the incoherence deepens: He’s going to cover “everyone,” but he’s going to push 24 million people off their health insurance. He’s going to wipe out the debt, but his tax cuts and spending spree will add trillions to it. He’s never going to intervene in Syria, but he just did. He’s going to get Mexico to pay for a big, beautiful wall, but he isn’t. China is a currency manipulator, but it isn’t. The media is the enemy of the people, but he is on the phone with them every five minutes and can’t stop watching CNN and reading the New York Times. He’s going to be a tightwad with taxpayers’ money, unlike Obama, but his personal travel expenses are on track to be eight times more than his predecessor’s. He’s going to work relentlessly for the American people but he spends half his days watching cable news. We’ve got to be “very, very tough” in foreign affairs, but when he sees dead babies on TV, he immediately calls General Mattis and lobs 59 Tomahawk missiles. He has a secret plan to defeat ISIS, but pursues Obama’s strategy instead. He is for the “forgotten men and women” of America, but his tax plan — which is itself changing all the time — benefits the superrich and depends on removing health insurance for the working poor. He wants to be friends with Russia, but he doesn’t. He’s going to challenge China’s policy on Taiwan, but he isn’t. He is against crony capitalism, but he is for it. He’s going to keep the focus on America, but just upped the ante in Yemen and Afghanistan. He’s a deal-maker, but he cannot make deals even with his own party. He’s a great manager, but his White House is consumed with in-fighting and he cannot staff his own administration. He’s a populist who stacks his cabinet with Goldman Sachs alums. He’s going to pressure China to take on North Korea, but “after listening for ten minutes” to China’s dictator, he changes his mind.’

God have mercy on all of us. Your president is an incompetent shallow nitwit who has no idea what he is doing and that scares the sh*t out of the rest of us.

BTW, did you even try to read the interview or was that simply too suspicious and fake and thus not worth your time? Reading is time consuming of course and doesnt have the same immediate viceral feel good belief confirming thrill (for you) as a Fox news report. You know the kind that Fox & Friends routinely delivers.

#2 "... the election of an utterly unqualified intellectually incurious narcissistic pathological liar and grotesque embarrassment as your president."

Kind of tough on Obama, but all true!


#6 "Unfortunately, call it ‘satire’ or ‘shitire’ JJ you have missed the point here. For people like snotraddict, fjwjr, sux2bu et al – this is not satirical in the slightest. This is almost certainly a world view and opinion that they hold. The belief that the main stream American media is disingenuous as best..."

Nice broad sweep of my values and viewpoints but I do proudly lean to the right, albeit I have one common underlying viewpoint, THEY'RE ALL CROOKS! I can think for myself, I don't have cable and can't see Fox News, not that I would if I could. I clearly saw it as satire, and agree the video is SHITE, but it has a few interesting things, like Obama working with Putin behind the scenes as he's running for re-election, but the media gave him a pass on that one, along with a lot of things.


#6 "The belief that the main stream American media is disingenuous as best..."

They are, they have been, and it's their own fault. The pendulum swings. If they weren't so bad for so long, Trump wouldn't be able to exploit them, and instead of cleaning up their houses, they've doubled down on the insanity.

As a generality, I find it interesting that the Left has it's panties in a knot over perhaps Putin's influence in the election, dubious claims at best, and in reality most of the top countries influence elections where they can. The US does it big time. But to me the bigger influence against Trump was THE MEDIA, who's primary job to me is to remain unbiased (I know that's impossible, but at least try) and report what you see regardless if you like it or not. Fox News is unabashedly Right, everyone knows that, but the rest of the media, the Main Stream Media, sells itself as middle of the road with only perhaps slight biases. We saw the "Wolves in Sheep's Clothing" during this election, and it wasn't pretty.

It's a shame, I was hoping they'd straighten up and start doing right by the people, but it's about politics and power.

12. snotraddict ‘Nice broad sweep of my values and viewpoints but I do proudly lean to the right’

Sigh. A) You were the first one to post something which was affirmative and you didn’t take any steps to distance yourself from the vid’s basic predicate – ergo you accept and most likely share these beliefs – so your ‘nice broad sweep’ protest is really just empty whining and then b) you continue with the conjunction ‘but’ which is normally used to signal a counter point / information but you use it to oddly indicate support for the view that you softly eschewed in your followup in the previous clause! Talk about clumsy incoherence – you are just like Sux2bu. When called out you flee like a mouse in the kitchen when the light is turned on. Sack up and own your positions.

And secondly ‘Obama working with Putin’

Obama working with Putin (or his appointed official) as the elected President is part of statecraft. This is how diplomacy works and deals on say nuclear proliferation get done. The alt right loves to show this and suggest it is somehow equivalent to the treasonous collusion that Trump et al engaged in with Russia and its FSB cyber units. This is so mind numbingly stupid it hurts. Presidents and Secretaries of State, republican and democrat, all engage in behind the scenes negotiations, done out of the spotlight, to get deals done. Depoliticizing things and moving out of the glare of elections and cameras etc etc is essential to statecraft – always has been.

To draw a specious comparison between a duly elected president, one who is authorized to speak on the behalf of the US, and a presidential candidate who has NO authority and is (I believe) banned by law from acting as a diplomatic agent for the US is just lazy and stupid. But by all means please continue to make the argument.

Finally, ‘perhaps Putin's influence in the election’. Perhaps? 17 different American military and civilian spy and defence agencies all concluded that the cyber-attacks, came from the highest levels of the Kremlin and because nothing happens in Russia without Putin’s say so – from Putin himself.

Deny all you want but this is about as well established and confirmed as any finding can be. But go on and blame the media.

FYI if you want more info on Putin's role I suggest you read this book by Malcomb Nance. The Plot to Hack America: How Putin's Cyberspies and WikiLeaks Tried to Steal the 2016 Election. Skyhorse Publishing. 2016.

He is retired US Navy counter intel / counter terrorism / cyber warfare expert and an authority on such matters. Fascinating read. And no squishy liberal. His career was spent hunting and killing 'bad dudes' as Trump would say.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Nance

Austin ranting about politics again. Could have just downvoted the video and move on, but no, we haven't had enough political rants on Snotr. Let's have another dead-end debate

#14. psyh

You are aware that by posting inherently political videos such as the Muslim benefits cheat or CNN fake news that Sux2bu has taken a political and ideological position and by virtue of the comments section he is inviting, if not asking for a response, aren’t you? The rant has actually started with Sux2bu and I am simply using the comments section to try and engage with him and others. I always assumed that is why Snotr has a comments section and not just a thumbs up and down icon. Sux2bu is inviting a reply and / or a reaction and I am simply taking him up on his offer.

I find it quite sad and perhaps reflective of where we are now as a society that your instinct, when presented with issues of intolerance, bigotry, racism etc etc as expressed in the words and actions of a major political actor and country, and having a chance to engage with a supporter of such beliefs that your response is to put your head down and move on. It is precisely IMHO this kind of timidity and inaction refusal to call people out who expose such positionality that has enabled these alt right movements and actors to grow in strength and power. A non-response is unfortunately often viewed as tacit tolerance and / or even acceptance or at a minimum it only serves to encourage more of the same. Europe and America find its societies and political institution the grips of these types because of passivity and a lack of critical thinking and awareness. Trumps successfully labelled himself a ‘blue collar billionaire’, an obscene joke in itself give his life of privilege, and conned the lower classes that he was actually looking out for their interests when EVERYTHING he has proposed policy wise, healthcare reform and tax reform, hurts this demographic. And yet they stick with this man for now. It is stunning and due to a lack of critical thought IMHO. So, yes, I reply to inherently political videos with political discussions.

#14 Psyh, there is nothing wrong with a political discussion where people exchange opinions and facts. That's what snotr is all about, in fact it's pretty much only happening on snotr. You don't have to read the comments, no one forces you, you can also watch the videos on YT, where the comment section is a little more shallow and vulgar than here.

#15 You're not going to change his opinions and he's not going to change yours. You've both made up your minds. You think he's a racist bigot and he thinks you're a leftist cuck. If the debate was more friendly and open-minded, then it would have a point.

"It is precisely IMHO this kind of timidity and inaction refusal to call people out who expose such positionality that has enabled these alt right movements and actors to grow in strength and power."

They grow in strength and power because the left has no satisfying solutions to the current problems. People are concerned about things and these concerns have to be addressed with sympathy. You can't make them go away by calling them intolerant. That way you're just feeding into the partisan system. I'm not American, but in Europe, the left wing politicians have called the people concerned with the current immigration situation racists, islamophobes and so on. That is not going to change their opinions and it's not going to make them go away. So what do these politicians do? Call them racist again. I see no critical thinking there. I see ideologues against ideologues.

Now you've made me rant. Damn you!

Longest comments ever on Snotr

17. psyh ‘Now you've made me rant. Damn you! Delicious irony no? ;-)

>#15 You're not going to change his opinions and he's not going to change yours. You've both made up your minds.

I think the difference between Sux2bu et al and me is that while I do have strong opinions I am very willing, if not happy to revisit and explore the premises / basis for those opinions and change them or modify them as need be – should a convincing argument or evidence or rationalization be provided. I really don’t have any immediate access to Trump voters (much like you) and I am incredibly curious as to how and why they both form and support their staunchly held worldviews – especially in the face of clear empirical counter evidence. I love the opportunity that Snotr offers to engage with this demographic. And I come from a background and training of critical thought and inquiry, one that views a theory or position only as strong as the evidence that support it and that every position and all positionality should be able to withstand scrutiny and inquiry – hence the efforts at critical discourse and a dialogic approach. What astonishes me about Sux et al is their willingness to discard wholesale facts, empirically verified and evidence which counters their narratives and as such positions as presented by one set of media all while uncritically embracing ‘alternative facts’ and narratives put out by another set of media which has a very clear and transparent ideological position and goal and mission statement. The latter of which really does engage in bald face lies and distorting of (again) empirically provable statements, evidence etc. – right down to citing peoples own past statements and actions. ‘I never said /did that.’ Yes, you did – here is the video / transcript. ‘Ok fine that is fake I never said / did that’.

>You think he's a racist bigot and he thinks you're a leftist cuck.

Yes, he is a bigot by virtue of this words and statements etc. ‘Leftist cuck’ is just a derogatory slur that is used when you don’t have a sustainable position. I try to address his potions and ideas, Sux et al either attack me as a person or a messenger or they simply change topics. This comparison, IMHO in unfair and I think one of the reasons why this alt-right discourse has been successful. It is really a false and harmful equivalency and I feel should be challenged and exposed for what it is.
>They grow in strength and power because the left has no satisfying solutions to the current problems.
I certainly agree with you on this but I do think one needs to reflect on how much our current institutions, be it political and economic, stymie and block any solutions because of the political and economic costs that it would impose on societies and governments. The left solutions never stand a chance of being implemented thus the left looks complicit in this.

>You can't make them go away by calling them intolerant.

In no way to I want to make them go away or silence them – on the contrary I like the American ideal of free speech, assembly and press. I think such discussions, even if they get sharp, are important. I am simply asking them to reflect on their views of intolerance and bigotry and suspicion and IMHO the fear and instability it creates, to examine why they hold such beliefs, to defend them in the face of counter arguments, facts and reality. If you genuinely hold a position and believe it in then one should be able to sustain it in the face of a counter pressure / position. Sux etc. al are the ones who shut down, run away, and resort to assailing the messenger and not the message. Presenting evidence, calling someone out, and asking for someone to support a position, action or belief is the result of critical thinking. The hope is they will respond in kind. Sadly it is open a one-way dialogue but I remain hopeful.

#18 Yes, longest, but #2, #6, #11, #13, #15 and #19 with the most sense making content, when it comes to political comments.

#19 "Obama working with Putin (or his appointed official) as the elected President is part of statecraft. This is how diplomacy works and deals on say nuclear proliferation get done."
This was a little more than "Obama working with Putin (or his appointed official) as the elected President is part of statecraft. This is how diplomacy works and deals on say nuclear proliferation get done."
The exchange between the US and Russian presidents was picked up by microphone without either leader apparently knowing.
Mr Medvedev, who was scheduled to step down in May, said he would pass on Mr Obama's message to his successor Vladimir Putin, according to an audio recording of comments the two leaders made during a meeting in Seoul, South Korea.
Mr Obama says: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defence, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space."
Mr Medvedev replies: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you …"
Mr Obama retorts: "This is my last election. After my election I'll have more flexibility",meaning he would not have to face voters again.
And Mr Medvedev finishes: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.
Russia had been strongly critical of plans for US-led Nato missile defence in Europe , so Obama was literally offering to sell-out our
European allies , just like he did when he stood by and gave no help to the Ukraine while Russian-backed troops invaded Crimea.
BTW you keep talking about all the "facts and empirical" evidence you have heard of yet you have not offered a shred of it.
We now know there was no hacking of our election (Obama even admitted that) and Trump had nothing to do with colluding with Russia or other hackers or leakers ,according to all the investigations that have taken place. Whoever got access to the emails of Hillary and John Podesta did a great service to the voting public allowing us to see the corruption festering in the Democratic party and the DNC. A recent poll by the liberal Washington Post shows that if the election was held again right now Trump would still beat Clinton in the electoral vote and the popular vote.
https://jonathanturley.org/2017/04/23/washington-post-poll-trump-would-still-beat-clinton/

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/04/23/new-poll-shows-utterly-demoralizing-news-for-democrats-and-clinton-supporters/

You say "Obama started out by inheriting the worst recession since the great depression thanks to W and his failed policies." When shown the facts behind that recession you say that was a diversion from the topic that YOU started. BTW the US economy was booming up until 2006 when the Democrats won a majority in the congress. Things went downhill quickly after that and under BO's (lack of) leadership. Obama owns the whole ISIS surge by pulling out of Iraq on a advertised timeline and then supplying Syrian "rebels" with sophisticated weapons which they then used to form what we now know as ISIS. The whole Benghazi scandal was over weapons being transferred to those rebels through Benghazi by Obama's CIA. It didn't take long to show that some two cent video was not the cause like BO and all his minions claimed.

Well I am not as long winded as you but I am closer to the action to see what is really going on , so keep spouting how feckless that billionaire President is and I will keep on enjoying all the good he has done and is doing , even though the Dems are putting up partisan objections to everything.
Enough said, as I have a business to run and things are getting busier by the week.