Drone Exposes Warehoused Research Beagles
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3. cameramaster commented 7 years ago
These days there is NO excuse...none whatsoever...for animal testing.
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5. Natan_el_Tigre commented 7 years ago
A mental workout indeed when a functional definition of intelligence, like F. Scott Fitzgerald's "ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function", is applied to this moral dilemma, such as below:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/animals/using/experiments_1.shtml
Thus, as a former beagle owner, should I watch this yet again and cry myself to sleep:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qt42JMxBMw
Or should I buy this on the "dip":
http://www.morningstar.com/stocks/xnys/lh/quote.html
According to F. Scott Fitzgerald, an intelligent person would probably do both.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/animals/using/experiments_1.shtml
Thus, as a former beagle owner, should I watch this yet again and cry myself to sleep:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qt42JMxBMw
Or should I buy this on the "dip":
http://www.morningstar.com/stocks/xnys/lh/quote.html
According to F. Scott Fitzgerald, an intelligent person would probably do both.
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6. Judge-Jake commented 7 years ago
This is a very difficult one, firstly I am a major dog lover and the thought of any cruelty is very distressing to me. I am also a father and grandfather and have worked in Human healthcare for many years. I have spent time in medical laboratories where tests are done on tissue from animals (although not from dogs) it's actually very routine, so if you have ever had a blood test there is a chance that the serum from your blood has been added to a microscope slide that contains tissue from an animal, maybe rat, maybe guinea pig, maybe primate. If you have been diagnosed with Rheumatoid arthritis, Thyroid disease, SLE (lupus) or been tested for HIV just to name a few this will certainly be the case.
The slides these days come from pharmaceutical companies all neatly and professionally prepared in little packets and have a use by date. Whereas in the early days the labs would order in a fresh just killed lab rat or guinea pig which would be pinned onto a board and the required organs, maybe kidney, liver etc would be removed by a technician and the organ would be very finely sliced on an extremely accurate machine until a slice thin enough to be placed on a microscopic slide was produced. A patient being tested for various illnesses would have a blood test and the blood would be spun down in a centrifuge and the serum the clear bit left at the top would be removed by pipette and following a few other processes in the lab would be added to the slide. The serum would then 'bind' to various parts of the tissue and be visible under a microscope using immunofloresence ie it would seem to light up.
Now without these tests there would be a lot of un-diagnosed, untreated people in the world whose disease would progress to an un-treatable stage and progress of improvement would be impossible to monitor, these could be your children, grandchildren, wives, husbands parents and friends.
The issue in the video is how the animals are being kept, ignore the barking, if you have ever been to a holiday kennel the noise is much the same and in an area like in the video I'm sure the intrusion of a noisy drone won't have helped. If they are not being exercised or fed properly that is another matter but I'm sure there is legislation and inspections to cover this. Also there are an awful lot of animal lovers in the world and I cannot believe that these units are staffed only by monsters. The final question is what these animals are actually being used for, if we are talking cosmetics and you are a woman in particular you've got questions to ask yourself. But you can be sure that something everyone has used man and woman will have been first tested on animals.
The slides these days come from pharmaceutical companies all neatly and professionally prepared in little packets and have a use by date. Whereas in the early days the labs would order in a fresh just killed lab rat or guinea pig which would be pinned onto a board and the required organs, maybe kidney, liver etc would be removed by a technician and the organ would be very finely sliced on an extremely accurate machine until a slice thin enough to be placed on a microscopic slide was produced. A patient being tested for various illnesses would have a blood test and the blood would be spun down in a centrifuge and the serum the clear bit left at the top would be removed by pipette and following a few other processes in the lab would be added to the slide. The serum would then 'bind' to various parts of the tissue and be visible under a microscope using immunofloresence ie it would seem to light up.
Now without these tests there would be a lot of un-diagnosed, untreated people in the world whose disease would progress to an un-treatable stage and progress of improvement would be impossible to monitor, these could be your children, grandchildren, wives, husbands parents and friends.
The issue in the video is how the animals are being kept, ignore the barking, if you have ever been to a holiday kennel the noise is much the same and in an area like in the video I'm sure the intrusion of a noisy drone won't have helped. If they are not being exercised or fed properly that is another matter but I'm sure there is legislation and inspections to cover this. Also there are an awful lot of animal lovers in the world and I cannot believe that these units are staffed only by monsters. The final question is what these animals are actually being used for, if we are talking cosmetics and you are a woman in particular you've got questions to ask yourself. But you can be sure that something everyone has used man and woman will have been first tested on animals.
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7. thundersnow commented 7 years ago
#6 You are bringing up a lot of important points, (not sure why you are down-voted) and your comment shows how conflicting this tends to be, and how this reaches far into ethical dilemmas. I don't know what to say....even though I work in the medical field I by no means have the knowledge about lab procedures that you do. I wished we wouldn't need animal tissue to do testing, but apparently we do....and I'm sure we all have unknowingly used products that were tested on animals.
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8. Judge-Jake commented 7 years ago
#7 Being down voted is possibly understandable, I made a lot of different points and who knows which parts someone didn't like. It might just have been Beemi because I called him a bitch lol. It would be helpful if they left a comment though.
I am not an advocate of tests being done on animals, One of the reasons I am a vegetarian is that if I am not prepared to kill the animal I am eating (and I am not) then I shouldn't be eating it (So I don't). From the laboratory point of view I happened to move into an area in the NHS where I came across this type of testing. I didn't choose to work in that environment it was a part of a career development that I am no longer engaged in.
Everyone should bear in mind that this is normal in medical laboratories all over the world and an awful lot of people would not be alive without it and even more people would be suffering unnecessarily. I doubt if anyone would ask the question "You won't be doing any tests that involve tissue from an Animal will you?" if their child was lying in a hospital bed seriously ill
I am not an advocate of tests being done on animals, One of the reasons I am a vegetarian is that if I am not prepared to kill the animal I am eating (and I am not) then I shouldn't be eating it (So I don't). From the laboratory point of view I happened to move into an area in the NHS where I came across this type of testing. I didn't choose to work in that environment it was a part of a career development that I am no longer engaged in.
Everyone should bear in mind that this is normal in medical laboratories all over the world and an awful lot of people would not be alive without it and even more people would be suffering unnecessarily. I doubt if anyone would ask the question "You won't be doing any tests that involve tissue from an Animal will you?" if their child was lying in a hospital bed seriously ill
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10. thundersnow commented 7 years ago
#8 Technically, to be a vegetarian if you don't want animals to be killed, is the right and logic thing to do. Respect!
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11. Sale commented 7 years ago
Why don't they breed humans, testings on them would be more realistic!
Or like in old times, when germans made tests on jewish and gypsy, and all other prisoners, americans can now test on... well... the whole world, and other way around...
I'm ironical, I don't support test on animals!
Or like in old times, when germans made tests on jewish and gypsy, and all other prisoners, americans can now test on... well... the whole world, and other way around...
I'm ironical, I don't support test on animals!
+6 1. Woolf2000 commented 7 years ago