Oprah Winfrey Receives the Cecil B. DeMille Award - Golden Globes 2018

Oprah Winfrey gives a stunning speech about the metoo campaign and other similar things.

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+12 1. thefox commented 2 years ago

More Hollywood fakery from self-important celebrity luvvies with their heads wedged firmly up their arseholes. :|
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+6 2. Hun commented 2 years ago

Hipocrisy at its best!
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+6 3. nomaddaf commented 2 years ago

This right up there with giving obama a nobel prize.
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+3 4. ringmaster commented 2 years ago

Ouch! Every time I try to inspire you it only backfires.
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+2 5. Austin commented 2 years ago

Clearly people have some serious negative opinions about the woman and what she said.

Ok – easy to leave a snarky barb. Fake, hypocritical and undeserved are just sound bites. Please expand.

#1. thefox (leaving the celeb bit aside) Focusing just on her speech. How was this ‘Hollywood fakery’? What part about her comments on race and gender and the fight for equality was fake in your opinion?

2. Hun Your reaction was ‘Hypocrisy’ Why? What about her words or personal life story was hypocritical in your opinion?

3. nomaddaf ‘This right up there with giving obama a nobel prize’ I will grant you that Obama’s Nobel qualifications were quite thin when he received it. Ok. But how is Oprah’s award analogous? She is being awarded after many years in the public eye and dozens of actual accomplishments in her field. How is this analogous to Obama’s Nobel? She actually has a long track record.

Simple questions, no judgement. Why do all 3 of you dislike this woman so much?
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+4 6. ringmaster commented 2 years ago

#5 thank you, now you are my new friend :)
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+1 7. snotraddict commented 2 years ago

#5 First "Obama's Nobel qualification were quite thin.." :D:D Quite thin?! How about non-existent. I mean, a Nobel Peace prize BEFORE he was even President?

To begin 2:58 . Please, Hollywood and "the Press" has covered up more corruption and injustices than perhaps any entities combined especially in their respective industries. Who didn't know about Weinstein and many others. Most of the time it was a joke to these celebrities and their ilk.

Let's also be adults here and understand that many times it's whomever is in power, men or women, who often abuse others, not just men, or more succinctly "white men". It's those in power positions, whoever they are, wherever they are. Period. To shame one entity instead of focusing on the act(s) is an injustice to those who are suffering under those individuals.

Some of us are becoming more color blind, but in many ways we've become more color-minded.

Finally, to burst Oprah's bubble, as long as you have powerful people, they'll exercise that power in sometimes abominable ways. Sad, but true.

The award is about "outstanding contributions to the world of entertainment". That I would concede is worthy of her and her accomplishments. Her phony speech about "Me, too" is laughable. I would have respected her more if she had just graciously accepted the award and walked off.
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+2 8. Austin commented 2 years ago

#7. Snotraddict, I honestly appreciate your time and response. Thanks. It is a pity that the thefox, Hun and nomaddaf can’t be bothered to do anything more than hurl drive-by slurs and accusations. It is a cheap discourse that doesn’t do anyone any good and just further polarizes people. Calling someone fake, hypocritical and undeserving online is easy – backing that up is much harder.

Re Obama’s Nobel. This is irrelevant and your comment is unfortunately gratuitous. The charge that Oprah is undeserving. No contra argument has been presented so far. Moving on.

Have you actually read Oprah’s comments re the media? Here is a link. https://nyti.ms/2Fdjz1y

She is certainly not giving the media or Hollywood a pass re corruption and injustices, in fact she is reminding all of the importance of the 4th estate and its duty and obligation to give voice to those who have none. In fact she deliberately took this issue outside of Hollywood ‘one that transcends any culture, geography, race, religion, politics, or workplace, and skillfully anchored it in the factual story of Recy Taylor, a victim, and her mark on history and racial justice and equality. Rather than excoriate the media for past inaction she pushed it to do better. And this is a bad thing?

>Let's also be adults here and understand that many times it's whomever is in power, men or women, who often abuse others, not just men, or more succinctly "white men".

Respectfully, that is factually just not true. These numbers are a simple snapshot

In 2017, 4 percent of Fortune 500 CEOs are minorities.
24 women CEOs in the Fortune 500 — representing 4.8 percent of companies
In 2017, 105 (78D, 27R) women hold seats in the United States Congress, comprising 19.6% of the 535 members

This is still very much a white male system in the US. Look at the raw numbers and it quickly becomes an empirically based fact. Power, political and financial and institutional, are still a white male domain in the US and certainly 'male' in other parts of the world, in spite of the progress made to date. This is a global issue.

>Some of us are becoming more color blind, but in many ways we've become more color-minded.

Completely agree and this is a good thing but it also carries with it resentment and hostility and retribution as old norms and acceptable patterns of behaviour are no longer tolerated.

>Finally, to burst Oprah's bubble, as long as you have powerful people, they'll exercise that power in sometimes abominable ways. Sad, but true.

I don’t see anything in her text to suggest such an opinion or inference. In fact see her comments on the 4th estate. She is saying that we must remain vigilant and expose such things.

>Her phony speech about "Me, too" is laughable.

Why is this laughable? She is a rape survivor. She created a media empire from the ground up. She is literally a self-made billionaire. Do you honestly think a black woman from her lower-class background and upbringing has had an easy time in Hollywood? Really??? Black and a woman in Weinstein et al’s world. Two strikes against her already.

There is a reason she created her own media empire – to give herself, other women and many people of colour opportunities and roles that were routinely being denied. And that is why she received the award. She is a very American story – self-made, flawed, a black woman in a white male system. But you call her "Me, too" story as phony. I am curious why you think she is a phony. All evidence suggests otherwise.
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+2 9. snotraddict commented 2 years ago

#8 overall well addressed but I think you may have missed my point and that's probably my fault for not being clear in my response (and will probably be not clear here either:D).

I'm not a fanboy of celebrities, sports, politicians etc. I respect Oprah from what I know of her for her accomplishments as a person. I don't give extra credit for being black or a woman. You worked hard, you made it. You're awesome.

CEO's, politicians or celebrities are not the only people who can be abusive. Anyone in a position of power over another has that opportunity. Women never abuse or take advantage of their nannies or maids? Caretakers never abuse their patients?

From the Catholic Church and Penn State buggering children, to the politicians and celebrities abusing women (and men as well as children), one common theme across the board is, many people knew inside and outside the organization but did nothing about it. So I've grown tired of people like Oprah standing up and pontificating about how we need to treat people. What did Oprah do to help the women being abused by Weinstein years ago? And don't tell me she didn't know. EVERYONE knew and they joked about it for decades (including women which is really interesting to me). Most of us treat people well, I don't need shallow self-righteous people finger wagging and telling me how to act towards others especially during a stupid self-congratulatory award ceremony that has nothing to do with it AND from an organization, that as a whole, did nothing about it.

Once this blows over, and it will blow over, men will continue to do what they've always done. Maybe a little different, maybe not out in the open, but they will continue to do it. Men that go into certain fields of fame or fortune do so to "get chicks". The prize, if you will, is what that lifestyle brings with it . The ability to get hot looking women. You don't often see an ugly wealthy woman with a young man, but you see lots of old or ugly wealthy men with young hot women. It's life.
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+1 10. Austin commented 2 years ago

#9. snotraddict Nice follow-up! Thanks.

> I don't give extra credit for being black or a woman. You worked hard, you made it. You're awesome.
I can certainly respect that.

>CEO's, politicians or celebrities are not the only people who can be abusive. Anyone in a position of power over another has that opportunity.
True that.

>So I've grown tired of people like Oprah standing up and pontificating about how we need to treat people. [And don't tell me she didn't know. EVERYONE knew and they joked about it for decades] [ don't need shallow self-righteous people finger wagging and telling me how to act towards others especially during a stupid self-congratulatory award ceremony that has nothing to do with it AND from an organization, that as a whole, did nothing about it.]

Absolutely fair points and we are in agreement.

>Once this blows over, and it will blow over, men will continue to do what they've always done.

Sadly, I agree. Progress is always incremental and usually takes time. Just think about what was considered acceptable in your parents’ generation versus when you entered the workplace versus now. We have come a long way towards treating others with respect and dignity but a lot of work remains.
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+1 11. Scotsman50 commented 2 years ago

#9 Well said that man.