Déjà vu all over again. Florida has been there before.

A thoughtful segment from Samantha Bee following the last mass shooting in Florida - June, 2016

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+10 1. Judge-Jake commented 1 year ago

Totally agree with every word she said. America you need to wake up and smell the bodies.
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-6 2. snotraddict commented 1 year ago

Hmmm, thoughtful? I don't think she's in the business of "thoughtful" insights. Instigation maybe. Against the 2nd Amendment? Mockery of Christians (I'd like to see her mock Jews and Muslims- I won't hold my breath)? I suspect her "number of mass shootings" is in the same realm as the made-up statistics the Left trotted out after the shooting (18 for this year they claimed!).

Australians gun control was outright confiscation of guns from legal owners (their "buy-back was not voluntary). That won't happen here in the US.

I've heard in Canada it takes some time to acquire a gun, more importantly they do a thorough investigation. That could do some good.
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-1 3. oleHashow commented 1 year ago

#2 Tbh all people who hold on old writings deserve to be mocked.
Just like guns change with time, we should change believes or writings.
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-5 4. snotraddict commented 1 year ago

#3 I agree, but it's irrelevant what you believe, you're one person. My point is, it's very popular in our culture amongst elitists, academia, media et al, to mock one (usually Christians) while exercising great restraint ;) with others.
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+1 5. Austin commented 1 year ago

2. snotraddict ‘I suspect her "number of mass shootings" is in the same realm as the made-up statistics the Left trotted out after the shooting (18 for this year they claimed!)’

Sticking your head in the sand and crying ‘fake news’ or ‘fake statistics’ doesn’t make an empirically knowable fact false. It just make you at best in denial or at least deliberately and wilfully ignorant.
Samantha Bee did not lie or misrepresent the numbers in 2016 nor has the left, if they claim 18 mass shootings in 2018, faked anything. These numbers are kept track of in spite of the NRAs best efforts to deny national and federal databases.

The rub is how one defines ‘’mass shooting’ in America. The Congressional Research Service defines a mass shooting as "a multiple homicide incident in which four or more victims are murdered with firearms, within one event, and in one or more locations in close proximity." This is the most rigid definition. Others use 3 or more deaths – which I think is legitimate. 3 people killed is mass enough for civilized people

What do the actual numbers tell us about shootings in America in 2018?

Jan: 48 people killed, 104 wounded.
Feb: 50 people killed, 60 wounded.

In the first 2 months - 10 events where 4 or more people were murdered and 5 where 3 people were killed. That makes 15. (And in double and single homicides and you get 98 people murdered so far). So 15 mass killings is not quite the 18 you cite without sources so I guess Americans who are concerned about gun violence are clearly making things up. At least in your mind.

But what is not debateable is that 98 people have been murdered with a gun so far in 2018 in the US.
These are real number and a horrifying statistic.

https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data/2018
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-5 6. fjwjr commented 1 year ago

Oh, boy! The 'philosophy' of another comedian, who when proven wrong will shrug her shoulders and say, "Well, I'm just a comedian...."
No thanks. I'll pass.
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+2 7. Austin commented 1 year ago

4. snotraddict ‘it's very popular in our culture amongst elitists, academia, media et al, to mock one (usually Christians) while exercising great restraint ;) with others.

LOL. Yes, poor Christians in America. They have been so so discriminated against.

The causalities from the War on Christmas alone are enough for persecuted and protected status

But let’s not forget that 45 out of 45 US presidents have been Christians.

And that Christian beliefs dictate and restrict the ability of all American women to have control over their own bodies when it comes to reproductive rights, family planning, and the termination of pregnancies. Regardless of their own region and belief systems

And that Christian values and beliefs have allowed the Bronze Age idea of creationism to not just persist but actually influence federal and state government education policies and research funding etc. etc.

And that all major Christian holidays are recognized in the media and by federal and state institutions

And that Christian prayers are often used to open federal and state government activities.

And that the Christian bible is commonly used for swearing in ceremonies and to decline is to invite scorn.

And that many US states have school voucher systems that allow federal tax payer monies to flow to private Christian schools.

Etc. etc. etc. Yes, Christians in America are a beleaguered bunch with little power or control on the levers of control and policy and little to no influence on American society and culture.

Basic rule of thumb, when you are the most powerful demographic or interest group and have undue influence and sway relative to membership, people tend to take shots at you. That doesn’t make you persecuted, it just makes you dominant. And like sports teams when you are on top you draw added attention and scrutiny. Fairly and unfairly. That is just the way social and power relations roll in the modern world.

But persecuted Christians in America? LOL. Get a grip mate and you may want to do something about that martyr complex you have got going. My advice, get down off your cross and use the lumber for something that is actually useful.
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+2 8. ughlah commented 1 year ago

hmm, just some questions as food for thought:
Do you think there are more or less armed robberies in the us compared to any country in europe?
What do you think in how many instances a gun owner could stop a burglary on his home by using a gun?

I guess if the crime rate was significantly lower in the us the criminals would be scared of trying to go into an armed household and i guess if they were stupid enough they would be stopped.
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-1 9. fjwjr commented 1 year ago

#8 Every day someone defends themselves with a firearm. But there is a question of criminal motivation. Someone who breaks into a home or robs a convenient store is probably more motivated by the need to supply a drug addiction. People in these cases will do crazy stuff to feed their addiction. If someone breaks into your home you need the ability to defend yourself.
Someone who robs a bank has a different motivation and someone who shoots up a school a different motivation still. To link crime stats and gun stats isn't always appropriate unless all crimes are the same.
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0 10. MindTrick commented 1 year ago

"If you don't have a friend to hold your phone, your lone ass don't get a gun"

Did she steal that line from a 5 year old? Who is this person anyways, she seems like an idiot...
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-1 11. fjwjr commented 1 year ago

#10 She's the latest edition to the list of comedians who think they are smarter than you on the issues of the day until they get called out for how dumb they are when they throw up their hands and say, "But hey, I'm just a comedian...." People like Bill Maher, Stephen Colbert, you know.....idiots.
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+1 12. Scotsman50 commented 1 year ago

All those NRA idiots should have their family put in a football field and let rip upon with those guns and see if they still support the law that anyone can get one.
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+1 13. snotraddict commented 1 year ago

#5 yes I left out an important detail, they claimed 18 SCHOOL shootings this year.
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-4 14. fjwjr commented 1 year ago

#12 You obviously have no understanding of what goes on in America or what the laws in America are. Just keep to yourself.
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0 15. Scotsman50 commented 1 year ago

#14 go suck an egg you complete Muppet,

I do not need to understand the American Laws.

it is simple, you let morons have free rule with guns and this is the result.

I understand enough to realize that innocent people are being murdered by people with mental illness or just pissed off at the world etc and easy access to guns and ammunition and the NRA want to keep supplying them to anyone who wants them and so the cycle will continue.

Yeah it is written into the constitution however if it was written into the constitution that all Americans who reach 30 years old must go to a hospital and be euthanized would you all do it or change the constitution?
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-2 16. fjwjr commented 1 year ago

#15 Again you show your ignorance of my country. Stop watching the left wing media and get some facts.
And we'll leave euthanizing people to your government.
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0 17. Scotsman50 commented 1 year ago

#16 Facts,??? so how many shootings has there been in 2018 alone in schools, how many homicide by shooting in 2018 so far by gun, how many suicide by gun so far in 2018.

Post your facts to my questions here.

I can answer for my own country and say Zero to all.

Come on enlighten me and post your facts to the above questions.

And guess what?
We do not have free rein to guns thankfully so kinda guessing the figures speak for their self.

PS. I do not watch the left wing , right wing, or any other wing of your media as your whole country is ran by clowns and we have our own clowns running ours, but i can see and read and for that you do not require many brain cells to do so therefore i guess i am alright .
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0 18. Austin commented 1 year ago

16. fjwjr ‘you show your ignorance of my country. Stop watching the left wing media and get some facts’

With all due respect you seem to not be aware that with the Internet one CAN be aware of things and have access to facts in other countries. Regardless if you read the Guardian or the Sun, left or right leaning, these papers report facts like the number of gun deaths in America and it shocks the hell out of the rest of the civilized world. These are not made up numbers.

America has a gun problem. And an epidemic of gun violence and related deaths not seen in any other 1st world nation. These are just facts.

It is also a fact that because Americans see owning a gun as a right and not a privilege – like basically the rest of the civilized world – until Americans come to grips with this dynamic you are just going to continue down this path of carnage and death and tragedy. The only solutions from gun owners is more guns. And to harden potential targets and arm more people in the hope one can limit casualties once the shooting starts. That in a nutshell is the American solution.

Please tell me if I am wrong.

Your right versus privilege mentality also permits weapons of war, the AR-15, in private hands and in some states to be carried openly in public. This is a fact.

And by all accounts the AR-15 due to bullet calibre size and muzzle velocity makes a terrible hunting weapon, it shreds (by design) what you are shooting at and a number of US states ban it for sport hunting.

Do you not see how this might strike many as excessive?

Multiple round clips, Teflon coated bullets, hollow-point expanding ammunition – how is any of this relevant to the sportsman or woman? This is a fact.

Or defending one’s home? How many intruders wear bullet proof vests?

All of am saying is that one does not have to live in the US to access facts and ask legitimate questions about Americans penchant for guns.

I do understand that a right versus a privilege is a powerful dynamic and people loath giving up rights once they have them. I actually have great respect for that argument in fact.

But I am also not afraid to ask at what point is enough enough? Do you, as an American, see any room to compromise on this issue?

And saying 'enforce exisitng gun laws' is not a legitimate answer because the NRA has effectively and repeated crippled these efforts time and time again. That is what they do - in the name of protecting rights.
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+3 19. ughlah commented 1 year ago

To say the least, this is extremely interesting. I can understand the mindset that wants to keep the second amendment. I think it’s stupid, but thats just my opinion. Thank god i don’t live in the us, and if i did i‘d probably leave the country. That‘s how much that mindset scares me, BUT as a majority seems to want it that way i can accept it. That part of your stupidity doesn’t affect the rest of the world.

What i don’t understand at all is how you can defend yourself with a semiautomatic rifle, how you can hunt with it and here is the killer question: why people defend the right to own it. If you want to have fun with it, go to your local shooting range, lock up your safe you have there and feel powerful, then lock it back up in the safe far away from your kids and and potential home burglars.
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+1 20. Austin commented 1 year ago

#19. ughlah - Speaking of guns, owning weapons, etc the NY Times published a very interesting article that does a country comparison of rules and regs. The link is at the bottom.

How to Buy a Gun in 15 Countries (MARCH 2, 2018)

Many Americans can buy a gun in less than an hour. In some countries, the process takes months. Here are the basic steps for how most people buy a gun in 15 of them. Many countries have exceptions for specialized professions, and local laws vary.

United States
1. Pass an instant background check that includes criminal convictions, domestic violence and immigration status. 2 Buy a gun.
(Many states have additional buying restrictions, including waiting periods and expanded background checks. Roughly a third of American gun owners buy guns without a background check, which federal law does not require when buying directly from a private seller)

Britain 1. Join a shooting club, or document hunting arrangements. 2. Ask for a character reference. 3. Arrange proper firearm storage. 4. Pass background check that includes a police interview at your home. They may check your storage arrangements. 5. Buy a gun.
(Some police forces may handle the background check with more diligence than others. The exact procedure varies)

https://nyti.ms/2FNXPu4

The survey included Japan, South Africa, Mexico, Australia, Austria, Canada, India, Germany, Brazil, Russia, Israel, China, Yemen.



And this is also fascinating. From the Times as well. March 4, 2018

Wounds From Military-Style Rifles? ‘A Ghastly Thing to See’

Trauma surgeons tell what it is really like to try to repair such devastating injuries. “Bones are exploded, soft tissue is absolutely destroyed,” one said

https://nyti.ms/2CY5mDi


*Bottom line if you need to get shot, get shot with a handgun. Lower muzzle velocity = less damage and veering of the bullet entering the body = less traumatic damage. An assault rife bullet tumbles and tears and pulverizes its way through due to 3x the muzzle velocity and motion of the projectile inside the body on imapct*
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-4 21. fjwjr commented 1 year ago

#18 & #20 Yes, you are wrong. And it's interesting that your 'survey' doesn't include Switzerland.
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+1 22. Austin commented 1 year ago

#21. fjwjr ‘ #18 & #20 Yes, you are wrong’

Ok. How and in what capacity? Where did I go wrong?

>And it's interesting that your 'survey' doesn't include Switzerland.

And it is not MY survey but an article from the NY Times. Those selected the countries, not me.

You asked about Switzerland. Ok here you go. And warning the article does contain facts. (full articel via the link)

How to buy a gun in Switzerland
Heavy machine guns and automatic weapons are banned, as are silencers
In most cases the buyer needs a weapon acquisition permit, issued by the cantonal police
This will be refused if the applicant has a criminal record, an addiction or a psychiatric problem
A special permit is needed to carry a gun in public - and is usually issued only to people who work in security, once they have passed theoretical and practical exams
Twenty-six thousand guns were sold legally in Switzerland in 2012 to sportsmen, hunters and collectors

Switzerland guns: Living with firearms the Swiss way (By Emma Jane Kirby BBC News, Zurich)
Switzerland has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world, but little gun-related street crime.
However, Swiss gun culture is unique, and guns are more tightly regulated than many assume.

According to the Geneva-based Small Arms Survey, there are about 89 civilian-owned guns for every 100 people who live in the United States. Switzerland ranks third in terms of gun ownership, the Survey estimates, with 3.4 million guns among its population of nearly eight million.

Target shooting is a popular national sport but many of the firearms in Switzerland are military weapons.
All healthy Swiss men aged between 18 and 34 are obliged to do military service and all are issued with assault rifles or pistols which they are supposed to keep at home.

Gun laws concerning army weapons have tightened. Although it is still possible for a former soldier to buy his firearm after he finishes military service, he must provide a justification for keeping the weapon and apply for a permit.

Military supplied weapons - "And we don't get bullets any more," he adds. "The Army doesn't give ammunition now - it's all kept in a central arsenal." This measure was introduced by Switzerland's Federal Council in 2007.
Yet despite the prevalence of firearms, violent gun-related street crime is extremely rare in Switzerland.

In an average year here, there is one gun murder for every 200,000 of the population - in the US that figure is several times higher. But there are more domestic homicides and suicides with a firearm in Switzerland than pretty much anywhere else in Europe except Finland.

There is a strong correlation between guns kept in private homes and incidences occurring at home - like private disputes involving the husband shooting the wife and maybe the children, and then committing suicide."
"Forty-three per cent of homicides are domestic related and 90% of those homicides are carried out with guns," he says.

I'm always amazed how the National Rifle Association points to Switzerland - they make it sound as if it was part of southern Texas!

Swiss citizens - for example hunters, or those who shoot as a sport - can get a permit to buy guns and ammunition, unless they have a criminal record, or police deem them unsuitable on psychiatric or security grounds. But hunters and sportsmen are greatly outnumbered by those keeping army guns - which again illustrates the difference between Switzerland and the US.


http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912
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+1 23. Scotsman50 commented 1 year ago

Here in Scotland you now even need a Licence to own a Air Rifle and it is based on the full firearms test and believe me if you apply you better have a bloody good reason for wanting one and you will be grilled by the police with every aspect of your life investigated and that is only for a .177 or .22 Air Rifle.

http://www.scotland.police.uk/about-us/finance/service-fees-and-charges/firearms/air-weapon-licensing/air-weapon-application-forms

And quite rightly so, why would anyone need a gun of any form?
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-1 24. fjwjr commented 1 year ago

#22 If you really knew the US you'd know that almost everything you said about Switzerland applies here except for a couple of things. They educate people in firearms. It seems like a national NRA program. They also aren't terrified of weapons and like other European nations it's part of a national sport.
The US may have a buttload of guns, but we aren't teaching about them anymore. The only people who want to are demonized (NRA).
When I was in school kids brought guns to school, people brought guns to work because the either came from hunting or were headed out after work or school. Schools used to have shooting teams. Kids were educated in weapons and taught to respect them. And there were NO school shootings!
So what's changed?
The guns? Nope. They are basically the same.
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-2 25. oleHashow commented 1 year ago

#24 "The guns? Nope. They are basically the same."
error: 1d10t
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0 26. nomolas commented 1 year ago

fjwjr. You are an embarrassment , you really are. Please fuck off.
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-2 27. fjwjr commented 1 year ago

#26 Typical liberal response when they have no real point.
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-1 28. oleHashow commented 1 year ago

27. fjwjr

we cant respond with real points to idiotism you are writing.

Are you still claiming that guns are same.
Since universe started im guessing?

Do you understand it is pointless to give you points, if your foundation of knowledge is so poor we cant even talk.
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+1 29. Scotsman50 commented 1 year ago

Waits on fjwjr answering #17 ?

While on the subject i was merely giving a hypothetical question when i asked in # 15 and you responded with
"And we'll leave euthanizing people to your government."

We actually do not have that here in Scotland but i am guessing that the death penalty would be pretty close to it and Oh Yes you have that do you not??

Guessing all round the yanks just like killing people.

Just a little add on .....Today 10/03/18 yet another shooting with 3 hostages dead and the gunman.

More innocent lives taken to satisfy the urges of people who own guns, as it probably adds 3 inches onto their dick's.

No guns then the innocents would be alive today.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/three-hostages-and-gunman-found-dead-after-hours-long-standoff-in-california-at-largest-veterans-home-in-the-us/ar-BBK4qMX?li=BBoPWjQ
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0 30. thundersnow commented 1 year ago

Thank goodness fjwjr is not gonna be the next US President. Thanks Austin and Scotsman50! We need more people in the US like you with common sense! :)