A turkish engineer appears to have solved the voynich manuscript.

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+1 1. Austin commented 1 year ago

Ok. But the Turkish angle has already been investigated by others. Nothing really new here but good on this man for contributing. Linguists and cryptographers have been working on this for years and every so often someone claims to have solved it but the results never work out.

Here is an interesting effort reported on January 30, 2018

AI May Have Finally Decoded the Mysterious 'Voynich Manuscript' (gizmodo.com) 150

Using artificial intelligence, Canadian researchers have taken a huge step forward in unraveling the document's hidden meaning. The Voynich manuscript contains hundreds of fragile pages, some missing, with hand-written text going from left to right. Most pages are adorned with illustrations of diagrams, including plants, nude figures, and astronomical symbols. But as for the meaning of the text -- nothing. No clue. For Greg Kondrak, an expert in natural language processing at the University of Alberta, this seemed a perfect task for artificial intelligence. With the help of his grad student Bradley Hauer, the computer scientists have taken a big step in cracking the code, discovering that the text is written in what appears to be the Hebrew language, and with letters arranged in a fixed pattern. To be fair, the researchers still don't know the meaning of the Voynich manuscript, but the stage is now set for other experts to join the investigation.

The AI analyzed the Voynich gibberish, concluding with a high rate of certainty that the text was written in encoded Hebrew."

The researchers then entertained a hypothesis that the script was created with alphagrams, words in which text has been replaced by an alphabetically ordered anagram. "Armed with the knowledge that text was originally coded from Hebrew, the researchers devised an algorithm that could take these anagrams and create real Hebrew words."

The study appears in Transactions of the Association of Computational Linguistics .
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-4 2. oleHashow commented 1 year ago

#1 Must be their tendency to keep books crooked.
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0 3. Judge-Jake commented 1 year ago

It is likely a load of crap now completely out of date with idea's that have been disproved over and over again, throw it in the bin and read a new book. ;)
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+5 4. FredBear commented 1 year ago

#1 The language was Turkic, not Turkish. The difference being that Turkic has many different variations, and was very diverse and widespread particularly in the middle ages with impact into the Byzantine Empire. Turkic languages have been known to exist for many centuries across North Central Asia and across what we know today as Russia and Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages
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-1 5. Austin commented 1 year ago

#4 FredBear

You are absolutely correct and my error. I do know better. Thank you for the polite correction - really, much appreciated. Now if we could only have such civilized discourse and dialogue on topics such as Trump, guns, Muslims, climate change, gender, racism and inequality etc etc Snotr could become a much more enjoyable forum. Not that it isn’t right now but for some vitriol and drive by character attacks seem to be the only form of expression when either facts and/or evidence is presented in suport of a postion or argument or position that said people may disagree with.
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-2 6. oleHashow commented 1 year ago

#5 Could you elaborate what was your error? i feel like everything is.
remember this diamond?
", they refuse to drink and smoke and thus deny good publicans revenue"

Stay focused if you fail, own it up, do not point at other problems we make.
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0 7. Austin commented 1 year ago

#6. oleHashow Why must you troll?

You just made my point.

> Could you elaborate what was your error? i feel like everything is.

And in your rush to troll you demonstrated either your inability to read (the answer is right above in #4. FredBear’s post you muppet), your inability to make a funny, your generally banal nature or all of the above.

Ha ha. Everything I post is an error…. Talk about someone who fills their head with sand and shakes.

(And props to Scotsman for 'muppet' – one of my favourite new rebuttals)
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-2 8. oleHashow commented 1 year ago

#7 if you cant, you cant. i can live with that. You just wrote a lot of things and you kinda didnt had too.
So if language is turkic, Why would be doing anagrams with hebrew relevant?

I m just surprised that you admit error and you cant back track your train of thought and maybe repair the damage you made and you rather chose to point out things that are a problem in the world. While not even considering to say something more about what you just wrote.

1st you discredit turkish angle... then you promote your agenda.
And when you get slap, you point at something else.

PS: you still didnt explain that diamond :) keep up the good work
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0 9. Austin commented 1 year ago

#8. oleHashow What on earth are you talking about?

Do you even read, and think, before you reply?

In my first post I wrote ‘the [Turkic] *corrected* angle has already been investigated by others. Nothing really new here but good on this man for contributing. Linguists and cryptographers have been working on this for years and every so often someone claims to have solved it but the results never work out'.

The key phrase is ‘and every so often someone claims to have solved it but the results never work out’

> So if language is turkic, Why would be doing anagrams with hebrew relevant?

??? What? The article, not me, simply points out that other researcher using another method have determined that the script is perhaps ‘originally coded from Hebrew’. You do see that this is but one of many working hypotheses dont you?? The 'Voynich Manuscript remains almost entirely coded and unreadable to this day. And that is what makes it interesting. Unless you are #3. Judge-Jake and then you bin it and move on.

>1st you discredit turkish [that would be Turkic – thanks #4 FredBear] angle... then you promote your agenda.

What? I did no such thing. Again reading comprehension seems to not be your forte.

I wrote ‘Here is an interesting effort reported on January 30, 2018’ as a way to frame the video and expand the discussion of what is an interesting topic. I also wrote ‘Many have tried and to date no one has succeeded'.

I did not claim to discredit anyone or promote any agenda but only to suggest that this effort, while novel, is one of many that have yet to really crack the code.

What part of ‘every so often someone claims to have solved it but the results never work out’ did you not comprehend?? Wait… that would be all of it apparently.

> maybe repair the damage you made.

????

I just tried to add to the discussion whereas you apparently have determined that being an incomprehensible muppet troll is somehow a contribution. To each their own I guess.
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-2 10. oleHashow commented 1 year ago

#9 i asked you to tell more im glad it somehow got out.

So i guess my thinking goes, if we dont know in what language this was written. Why would someone look just into hebrew anagrams?
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0 11. Austin commented 1 year ago

#10. oleHashow ‘#9 i asked you to tell more im glad it somehow got out’

You have a very peculiar and opaque way of complementing someone…

>You admit error and you cant back track your train of thought and maybe repair the damage you made
>You discredit turkish angle... then you promote your agenda.
>And when you get slap, you point at something else.

But happy to move forward.

>If we dont know in what language this was written. Why would someone look just into hebrew anagrams?

This is what the computational approach, using artificial intelligence, and its vast computing power determined as the most likely source language of the Voynich code. How is a lesson in cryptography and cryptographic methods and high level maths but it really comes down to pattern recognition and probable human language syntax, morphology and lexicon (i.e. sentences, words and vocabulary). The AI calculated the possible combinatorial permutations and determined that Hebrew and then Hebrew anagrams of all things appears to the best statistical fit.

Is this correct? Or the answer? Ummm maybe or no. They have only decoded something like 3%.

This is an AI decision matrix and output and most likely probable enciphered language … and that is just a guess. ;-) A calculated brute force statistical guess.

The manuscript remains a mystery in spite of everyone’s best efforts and the application of cutting edge science. And I find that kind of mystery intriguing. So Hebrew or Turkic … all are equally possible or impossible right now.

And that is why I posted the gizmodo story. This mystery hasn’t been solved yet.
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-1 12. oleHashow commented 1 year ago

#11 i dont need to tell you we are all unique. :)
You must understand that diamond i found isnt cracked so i have to question what i think is bs from your side.
They have only decoded something like 3%.
This mystery hasn’t been solved yet.

TBH looks more like they didnt really decode it. Best bet is they wanna tailor it to history.
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+1 13. Austin commented 1 year ago

#12. oleHashow. Oh no. I am having trouble following you at times again but that is ok.

>#11 i dont need to tell you we are all unique. :)

Yes, I think we are on the same page ;-)

>You must understand that diamond i found isnt cracked so i have to question what i think is bs from your side.

a) 'You must understand that diamond i found isnt cracked'
Like the Voynich manuscript this also defies decoding so I have no idea what you are taking about.

b) 'have to question what i think is bs from your side'.
So in your own words, and applying basic logic, if you have to question what you think is BS from my side actually means that you agree with me?? Ok then. Fantastic! We are in agreement? Yes, we are in agreement. Ok then!
>TBH looks more like they didnt really decode it. Best bet is they wanna tailor it to history.

Yes…. And OK. I think we agree here as well. I suspect they are just making their best educated guess. I don’t think they have any nefarious or self-interested motivations, they are just applying a form of creative abductive reasoning and why not? More power to them. Until disproven their hypothesis should be treated as valid as well. The AI approach was also just another crack at an unsolvable puzzle.

and on that note, good night my friend. tomorrow is another day.
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-1 14. oleHashow commented 1 year ago

remember this diamond?
", they refuse to drink and smoke and thus deny good publicans revenue"
This goes beyond anything you ever wrote. This clearly means you are prepared to write anything.

Also you kinda accused me of not reading well or understanding you. While i just wanted more information, if you provided a link, i could decide it is 'fake' news.
Yes you also missed my 1st reference to diamond, so dont judge.
I copy pasted it again so there wont be any confusion.
If you need bigger context you said this about Muslims.
Treat others as you want to be treated.

But tbh i though you had agenda so i wanted your words. rather than link.
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0 15. krazeeeyez commented 1 year ago

#6 #7 #8 #9 #10 #11 #12 #13

Can you guys take your troll's banter to your personal email?

It's really boring to scroll through.
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+2 16. Austin commented 1 year ago

#15. krazeeeyez ‘Can you guys take your troll's banter to your personal email?It's really boring to scroll through’.

My apologies krazeeeyez. The design of the Snotr webpage is really to blame. The fact that one absolutely has to scroll through each post before one can move on to the next video is clearly a flaw.

If there was only some way of just moving on to the next video if one found the comments boring. No one should have this kind of personal autonomy and decision making taken away from them.

Someone should let the Admin know.
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-1 17. abbb053 commented 1 year ago

Yup, looks like it's been solved to me. Well done guys.
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0 18. thundersnow commented 1 year ago

#5 I wholeheartedly agree with you! :)