Help! My Kid's A Socialist

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and the marxists / leninists / socialists / communists / Democrats will confiscate half his catch and heavily tax the other half!?

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+4 1. Judge-Jake commented 6 years ago

That was a long two minutes. 8-)
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+8 2. Thanny commented 6 years ago

Socialism is nothing more or less than a group of people pooling a resource to accomplish a goal for the individual members of the group that each alone could not accomplish. The very concept of government is socialist - the pooled resource is authority, and what's accomplished is a modicum of order.

Capitalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive, and there's not a single nation on this planet that is not a mixture of both. And they are both needed, because capitalism, while good for innovation on the whole, due to its evolutionary mechanisms, is bad for equality. Socialism is needed to rein in the excesses of capitalism, taking some of the fruits of the lucky winners and making a safety net for the unlucky losers. It's also needed for the basic fabric of a society. You don't have much of a nation without a military, law enforcement, transportation infrastructure, etc. - all socialized goods and services (and much of it outsourced to capitalist enterprises, such as construction firms to actually build the infrastructure paid for by the pooled public resources).

This guy's understanding of the issue is just as simplistic and misguided as that of the brainwashed students.
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+4 3. Austin commented 6 years ago

#2. Thanny. Very nice post. Thank you.

>This guy's understanding of the issue is just as simplistic and misguided as that of the brainwashed students.

Indeed, but I am reasonably certain that you will soon discover that Sux2bu and others also subscribe to this simplistic uninformed fearful worldview. I assume that is why Suxy posted it. He likes to provoke but never engage. Socialism bad because Fox news and like-minded videos like this told me so.

As I have pointed out before, Suxy and his ilk will demand their Medicare, their VA services, their industry and farm subsidies, (e.g. Trump’s 12 billion dollar bailout for farmers to cover the unnecessary damage he caused by a foolish trade war), etc. etc. and all of the other ways that the American gov’t ‘intervenes and interferes and directs’ the US economy via wealth redistribution and financial support but god damn it – that aint socialism. Actually, Fox & Friends it is. But by all means, deny away. You need an enemy and well Marxists have killed 100 million in the 20th century …. LOL… so painfully stupid.

Thanks again Thanny for the thoughts. Unfortunately coherent prose like yours scares the most insecure of the Snotr community away (i.e. those who find this rubbish video compelling or accurate or of value).
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+1 4. camoga commented 6 years ago

Damn #3 you sounded really smart thank you for your comment. So who do you think is the real enemy? Have you had experiences in living in different parts of the world and in different systems of government?
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-1 5. Austin commented 6 years ago

# 4. camoga ‘So who do you think is the real enemy?’

That is easy. The Iilluminati, George Soros, the Rothschild family, Jewish bankers (is there any other kind??), NASA, the World Bank, the Bilderberg Group, Muslims, the Lizard People, the US FDA, and Elvis. To name a few.

Hope this answers your question!!!
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+2 6. camoga commented 6 years ago

#5 yes it does, Thank you.
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+1 7. kikinovak commented 6 years ago

Please stop posting this alt-right crap. This is Snotr, not Breitbart or Fox News. And ban this user sux2bu, he's flooding the site with his nonsense.
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0 8. snotraddict commented 6 years ago

#7 "ban this user sux2bu, he's flooding the site..." :D:D:D:D:D Poor snowflake. You've been a member of SNOTR since June of 2008 and you still think he submits directly without going through an admin who approves and does the actual uploading of the videos to the site? Too funny. Go hug a teddy bear in the corner and watch CNN. >:)

#2 Socialism might work in small groups where people "pull their own weight". Unfortunately it fails miserably in large scale applications. You know, the whole fantasy vs real world thing that screws up wonderful ideas on paper. ;)
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+1 9. RobertTusk commented 6 years ago

Luckily in the 20th century the CIA saved all those central American countries from that socialist nonsense by organizing multiple Coups and installing enlightened leaders making them the thriving successful economies they are today. Thanks goodness for the SOA (School of the Americas in Georgia). Meanwhile those European countries with their mainly socialist governments and their free health care for all, paid parental leave and 30-40 vacation days a year are clearly failed states.
It must be awful living somewhere like the Scandinavian countries.
Isn't it great to have the aroma of McCarthyism in our nostrils again.
Ah, the nostalgia of it all.
Remember as Christians to thank God that Reagan took Powell Memorandum as his policy and saved another generation of American workers from the ravages of socialism.
No doubt the current POTUS is using all his talents to ensure a bright future for hard working Americans.
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-3 10. ughlah commented 6 years ago

Sorry, I'm totally fed up with the utter bullshit this site has become. Unlike Austin I see no point in argueing with morons. I tried, I failed.

Bye Geekster, you already lost a lot of those members that improved this site with their witty comments. On top of those witty ones you just lost one more, me.

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-1 11. fjwjr commented 6 years ago

#3 That's the thing with most leftists; they really have no idea how the world works. And you're no exception. Especially since it's obvious that you have never spoken to a conservative and get all your talking points from batsh*t crazy websites. Conservatives DON'T demand Medicare and farm subsidies. Those are leftist policies that have been killing America and are NOT listed as functions of government in the Constitution. You will also find that most Conservatives are NOT fans of tariffs. No one ever wins a trade war. As for VA services, leftists love to throw this around as an example of socialism. It is not. It is an example of capitalism as it is a contract between the soldier and the government (draft excluded) that says if you are injured in service to your country we will do what we can to make you whole again. Not every veteran is eligible for free VA services. There has to be a certain level of service connected disability. Otherwise, a veteran can use VA services but have to pay for them. No one ever mentions that.
It's amazing that you downplay the fact that over 100 million were killed in the name of socialism last century alone. But oh, how leftists love to bash Christianity and want it eliminated mostly because over it's history there has been a tiny fraction killed in its name by comparison. You also forget all the failed socialist countries in history and pin all your hopes on Scandinavian countries. How about you give me an example of socialist success that is larger and more diverse than Vermont. It's interesting that you say American immigration policy MUST bring people in from these failed socialist states but bash the potus saying he only wants to bring in people from the 'successful' Scandinavian countries. So you want to model your 'American Utopia' on the failed model and not the 'successful' one and turn the US into a banana republic.
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0 12. nomaddaf commented 6 years ago

BRAVO !!!! Well said !!!!
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-1 13. Austin commented 6 years ago

#12. nomaddaf hand head slap. #11. Fjwjr did NOT [say things well]

Once again he posits generalizations, inaccuracies and poorly sources / constructed arguments.

You, snotraddict, Sux2bu and the other alt-righters look up the ‘Dunning-Kruger Effect’, the tendency for unskilled people to make poor decisions or reach wrong conclusions, but their incompetence prevents them from recognising their mistakes. You lot are a textbook example.

And sorry, just because you have assembled a simpleton cheering squad does not make your collective statements any more correct or accurate or coherent. But if it makes you feel better then so be it.

#11. Fjwjr, a suggestion. Don’t start with a broad inane clumsy generalization like this ‘That's the thing with most leftists; they really have no idea how the world works.’ This just alerts the reader that you are not to be taken seriously.

Then again, misattributions and conflations like this also do not help. ‘It's amazing that you downplay the fact that over 100 million were killed in the name of socialism last century alone’.

One, no one has downplayed anything and two, now you have deliberately conflated socialism and Marxism or Marxist-Leninism. If you are going to use an alt-right talking point then please get it right.

Regardless you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. You are declaring that Hitler, Stain and Mao (and others) were all socialists and thus the staggering death toll. These evil cats were all totalitarians first and foremost. And ethno-nationalists and fascists. This is what lead to the deaths not the limited and selective application of socialism or Marxism but you do not know the difference anyway so let us move on.

BTW - the Nazi Party (National Socialist German Workers' Party) was not socialist in any meaningful way. You will disagree (they have the name socialist in the title!!) but then you will have to accpet that North Korea, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic country and I think we can agree it is not. Titles can be misleading.

BTW, two can play the numbers game ;-) A very strong argument can be made that mercantilism and capitalism have killed hundreds of millions via colonization, imperialism, and maintaining spheres of influence. So free markets to strong centrally control - both models have killed many people but given that mercantilism, industrialization and capitalism started the slaughter in the 15th century as port of empire building and has covered the entire globe – your socialism is the worst offender argument looks even lamer.

Lastly – stop lying. No one has ever said or advocated this ‘leftists love to bash Christianity and want it eliminated’

What many many people want is secularism. To be free from laws written by evangelical white men that privilege Christianity over all else. Actually, to remove religion from the government – as your founding fathers argued for. No religious test for participation in the govt or to receive gov’t services and protections. Something you and your fellow alt-righters conveniently ignore.
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+1 14. fjwjr commented 6 years ago

#13 "One, no one has downplayed anything" Yes, you actually did! "You need an enemy and well Marxists have killed 100 million in the 20th century …. LOL… so painfully stupid."
And you can play the "but they aren't 'real socialists' game" all you want but it doesn't change the facts.
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0 15. Austin commented 6 years ago

UGH (he said loudly)

#14. Fjwjr ‘" Yes, you actually did! " etc

Said #14. fjwjr ignoring the fact that the premise of his argument is simply not accurate or factually correct. And rife with errors. Sigh.

Your tenacity is almost as impressive as your ignorance. And stubbornness.

Pointing out that you are spouting rubbish is not down playing anything – I was saying that your claim is inaccurate and wrong on multiple levels. And I proposed counter evidence. So no I 'did not'.

And of course, you ignored the hypothetical counter argument that mercantilism, capitalism, and imperialism have almost certainly killed scores more over the centuries. Cause that causes problems for your simplistic pre-packaged alt right talking points.

F – me you are thick. Do you even consider the implications of your rebuttals?

>14. fjwjr ‘ And you can play the "but they aren't 'real socialists' game" all you want ..

YES! Because it is far more complicated than your binary boogie man socialism is the enemy world Sparky.

>but it doesn't change the facts.

Which fact? That you have conflated Marxism and socialism? Hint Maoism and Marxist-Leninism in your simplistic worldview have killed far more. Or attributed socialism to governments that were totalitarian (like Nazis). Etc etc.
The fact is you obviously have no f-in clue what you are talking about. You parrot talking points (100 million deaths caused by socialism) but do not have the minimum knowledge to back it up. Your lack of basic history, political science, and economics is appalling.

Just repeating false claims does not make them any more accurate or truthful. It has not worked for your charming President and it is not working here.

May your intellectual and discursive failures not follow you into your weekend my friend. Next week is a new beginning.
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+1 16. fjwjr commented 6 years ago

#15 I'm sure one of the Menendez brothers was a little nicer than the other.........
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+1 17. thundersnow commented 6 years ago

Geez...your kids are probably right. You are grossly underestimating their power of thought. The ideas they have are a healthy observation that something is greatly gone wrong in our society, and even in their own families, and they have a healthy sense of idealism, and activism to restore that, before they become like the rest of the older part of society, fat, greedy materialistic and sedentary. They are finally questioning the status quo, there is wrong with that. One can only hope that some of these kids maintain their youthful, refreshing sense of how a society should operate......yeah, yeah, socialism killed did, and still does, capitalism. There is a happy medium, that does not exist in the US, but does exists in many European countries.
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+1 18. DrPing commented 6 years ago

What's this idiotic right-wing propaganda video doing on here?? Ignorance might be bliss but this is just painfully stupid to watch. Who in their right mind approved this? A video complaining about supposed socialism on a FREE website. Unless this is meant to be ironic, this user needs to be banned as he's obviously been hacked by the Russians. :D